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Aren't 70% of American teenagers on iPhone because of the iMessage network effects? The whole "green bubble" shaming issue.

• Justsignedup 3y ago
  its more than a shame. emoji, gifs and images are a core part of teens' communications (I have one, I know all too well), and iMessage's green bubble is also a guarantee that these things won't work, so its not just a shame, it is a hard road block. Fortunately a lot of teens moved to discord.
  • Jtsummers 3y ago
    Based on all the messages I get from my work colleagues (mostly android users much more into memes and things than I am), gifs and emojis and other features work just fine these days with MMS messaging on iPhone.
    • fsckboy 3y ago
      videos taken on your or their phones don't show up postage stamp sized and blurry/bricky any more? that's usually how a green bubble drags an iphone group down although the "liked your message" type stuff is also annoying.
      • lazycouchpotato 3y ago
        Google thankfully added a workaround/fix for that. "Liked your message" shows up as a reaction on Google Messages. https://techcrunch.com/2022/03/10/googles-message-app-can-now-handle-imessage-reactions-challenges-apple-with-new-features/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/03/10/googles-message-app-can-no... In fact, the role's been reversed - the iPhone user now gets the "liked your message" text message while on Google Messages it shows up as a reaction.
    • canucker2016 3y ago
      When iMessage has to send a pic or vid to a group that contains non-iMessage recipients, iMessage will fallback to MMS and may need to recompress the pic/vid to get under the MMS media limit. MMS, introduced in 2002, has much lower limits for pictures/video than if the messaging apps were to send the media over data/internet. Also these MMS media limits aren't hardcoded, the limits are set by the sending and receiving carriers. see https://www.androidpolice.com/why-text-message-videos-look-blurry-how-to-fix/ https://www.androidpolice.com/why-text-message-videos-look-b...
  • joshmanders 3y ago
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• snakeyjake 3y ago
  >The whole "green bubble" shaming issue. Even if that's a real thing and not an imaginary or minor phenomenon hyped up for clicks, it is hardly anti-trust-worthy. 70% of American teenagers may have access to iMessage due to it being on their phones but there is a 0.0% chance that, in aggregate, iMessage is in their top five most-used messaging apps.
  • Miner49er 3y ago
    Do you have data to back this up? I would be shocked if iMessage wasn't the most used messaging app by US teens or consumers in general.
    • jdlshore 3y ago
      I would guess Discord is more popular, based on my teens’ usage.
      • Miner49er 3y ago
        Maybe, but they probably text you through iMessage.
        • joshmanders 3y ago
          This just in, teen prefers to message with friends via Discord, but uses iMessage to message parents who are also on iMessage and not discord. We must file an anti-trust lawsuit against Apple, stat! Do you realize how ridiculous this reasoning is?
          • Miner49er 3y ago
            No where have I argued for antitrust. I'm just saying iMessage is probably the most used messaging app in the US, others are claiming it's not without any data.
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• canucker2016 3y ago
  from Piper Sandler's 2023 Fall survey of US teens ( https://www.pipersandler.com/teens https://www.pipersandler.com/teens ): "87% of teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone; 34% own an Apple Watch" No idea how many bought them specifically for iMessage...
  • stevehawk 3y ago
    we should caveat all of this with "USA teenagers" as Apple does not have nearly these adoption levels anywhere else in the world.
    • canucker2016 3y ago
      "...2023 Fall survey of US teens ... "
    • mthoms 3y ago
      Canada is somewhere else in the world. As are Japan, Norway, Denmark and Australia.