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>> it will be hard for apple to continue to claim they are pro-user when they appear to be this hostile toward android users. They are pro user - for Apple eco

>> it will be hard for apple to continue to claim they are pro-user when they appear to be this hostile toward android users. They are pro user - for Apple ecosystem users that is. And I’m good with that. Disclaimer: Yup I’m an Apple user. I pay good money to keep the riffraff out - or at least ID them by not being blue.

haswell 3y ago
> They are pro user - for Apple ecosystem users that is. And I’m good with that. I don’t really agree. The interoperability impact means that I’m affected as an iPhone user too. I’m only not impacted when I communicate with other iPhone users. And it matters to me that my choice of device impacts the users I interact with. Apple just knows that their lock-in is strong, and the impact is disproportionately felt by non-Apple users. This is not the same as being “pro Apple user” IMO. They’re just able to get away with it with their own user base because they’re less aware of the impact.
- ColonelPhantom 3y ago
  Did you actually read the parent comment? They consider a worse chat experience with Android users a feature, because God forbid someone prefers Android, or shudders doesn't want to spend $1000 on a phone.
  - haswell 3y ago
    I think you and I are interpreting “riffraff” differently. I took it to mean the myriad of SMS scams and spam that is rampant outside of iMessage, not Android users broadly. My point was that Apple isn’t caring about their users by doing this. They’re negatively impacting my ability as an Apple user to communicate with people who prefer Android, and that is a stance that affects both parties. It’s not pro user. I suspect we’re in violent agreement that excluding-Android-as-a-feature is not a pro-user stance.
  - roamerz 3y ago
    >> consider a worse chat experience with Android users a feature Well not really - it would be great if the sms feature set matched imessage. The main benefit to me when I see blue is that I know that person is probably at least authenticated and probably has a credit card tied to that account. That in itself seems to limit the riffraff (scammers) that want to send spam or other garbage. I see way more of that from green than I do blue.
- roamerz 3y ago
  >> And it matters to me that my choice of device impacts the users I interact with. Interesting. How does this impact an Android user who sends text to you? To them everyone is green (or whatever color Android uses) correct?
  - s3p 3y ago
    Exactly I can’t see how this is as big an issue as they let on
    - haswell 3y ago
      I would recommend finding a friend or looking up a YT video or whatever to see what the experience is like. Theres a reason this keeps hitting the front page, and it isn’t because the current experience is good.
  - haswell 3y ago
    Any kind of multimedia is compressed behind recognition. Basic texts are fine. Send me an image, and it’ll look like it came from another era.

haswell 3y ago

> They are pro user - for Apple ecosystem users that is. And I’m good with that. I don’t really agree. The interoperability impact means that I’m affected as an iPhone user too. I’m only not impacted when I communicate with other iPhone users. And it matters to me that my choice of device impacts the users I interact with. Apple just knows that their lock-in is strong, and the impact is disproportionately felt by non-Apple users. This is not the same as being “pro Apple user” IMO. They’re just able to get away with it with their own user base because they’re less aware of the impact.

ColonelPhantom 3y ago
Did you actually read the parent comment? They consider a worse chat experience with Android users a feature, because God forbid someone prefers Android, or shudders doesn't want to spend $1000 on a phone.
- haswell 3y ago
  I think you and I are interpreting “riffraff” differently. I took it to mean the myriad of SMS scams and spam that is rampant outside of iMessage, not Android users broadly. My point was that Apple isn’t caring about their users by doing this. They’re negatively impacting my ability as an Apple user to communicate with people who prefer Android, and that is a stance that affects both parties. It’s not pro user. I suspect we’re in violent agreement that excluding-Android-as-a-feature is not a pro-user stance.
- roamerz 3y ago
  >> consider a worse chat experience with Android users a feature Well not really - it would be great if the sms feature set matched imessage. The main benefit to me when I see blue is that I know that person is probably at least authenticated and probably has a credit card tied to that account. That in itself seems to limit the riffraff (scammers) that want to send spam or other garbage. I see way more of that from green than I do blue.
roamerz 3y ago
>> And it matters to me that my choice of device impacts the users I interact with. Interesting. How does this impact an Android user who sends text to you? To them everyone is green (or whatever color Android uses) correct?
- s3p 3y ago
  Exactly I can’t see how this is as big an issue as they let on
  - haswell 3y ago
    I would recommend finding a friend or looking up a YT video or whatever to see what the experience is like. Theres a reason this keeps hitting the front page, and it isn’t because the current experience is good.
- haswell 3y ago
  Any kind of multimedia is compressed behind recognition. Basic texts are fine. Send me an image, and it’ll look like it came from another era.