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>It’s an addictive hobby with similar detriments to addictive substances, yet advertising to children is ok. We lost that battle when states introduced lotteri

>It’s an addictive hobby with similar detriments to addictive substances, yet advertising to children is ok. We lost that battle when states introduced lotteries. Government gambling.

gs17 3y ago
Do lotteries advertise to children in your state? I guess scratch-off game designs are bright and colorful, but here in TN the ads on TV/radio are largely angled at adults.
- Clubber 3y ago
  Yes, we have commercials and billboards and convenience stores with big billboards saying they sold a winning ticket. I don't really buy the argument that if advertising is bright and colorful, it's distinctly targeted to children. Most advertising is bright and colorful. The only decent argument from the smoking / vape wars was Joe Camel because he was a cartoon character, but I didn't know who Joe Camel was until I was ad adult. I think the advertising to children because it contains non-unusual ________ argument is pretty weak. If you mean advertise where children would be able to see it, absolutely, all over the place.
afiori 3y ago
Lotteries (gevernmental or not) and sport betting are worlds apart in term of societal damage
- wincy 3y ago
  I’m curious, how so? I don’t participate in either aside from maybe a few scratchers a year (like literally, 3, maybe) but at a surface level them seem to be very similar.
  - Tyr42 3y ago
    Sports betting seems more social and seems more "skill based" in that you can follow a team and the news and try and make better bets vs a scratch ticket which doesn't care.
  - standardUser 3y ago
    It would take a lot of effort to burn an entire paycheck on lotto tickets. It would take 60 seconds to do so with online betting.
    - vel0city 3y ago
      Many states have added online lotteries. https://lotto.com https://lotto.com
      - standardUser 3y ago
        The largest order I can make at one time is $30. It would take a lot of dedication to burn through a few thousand dollars, and it would come with no immediate feedback/reward for the effort. I'm not saying it's impossible to ruin one's life buying lotto tickets, but it seems highly unlikely and extremely boring compared to any other gambling problem I can think of.
      - afiori 3y ago
        Few people watch routinely lotto extractions with strong emotions, millions are sport fan that never skip a game. Nobody cares wether the next lottery has a 24 and millions care very deeply about who wins the next sportball cup. Both allow you to use them as an addiction but one has a far weaker and narrower pull.
        vel0city 3y ago
        I'm aware there are lots of differences and I agree with all these points. I was just pointing out this fact because it was a recent surprise to me that these states would allow this massive expansion of lotteries to the internet. I think a lot of people still largely view state lotteries as those scratchers and what not you have to buy with cash at gas stations but apparently they've expanded to allowing online transactions with credit cards.
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  - MandieD 3y ago
    I’ve seen several family members and friends who might have bought a few scratchers here and there, or even played “their” 3-5 sets of numbers twice a week, but otherwise kept their gambling to an annual trip to Vegas get sucked into sports gambling now that it’s always available on their phones. Not just the money, but also the amount of their mental energy it comes to capture.
  - jankyxenon 3y ago
    People can delude themselves into thinking they have an edge in sports prediction skills. There's no analogous delusion for lotto.
- Clubber 3y ago
  I mean gambling is gambling. You make it morally acceptable, it's gonna seed society. You're just probably used to lotteries which is why they seem different. I've heard lotteries called a "hope tax," which is pretty morbid.
  - afiori 3y ago
    Tautology aside "gambling is gambling" false just like "addiction is addiction" is false. I personally dislike tobacco and wish people would stop using it, but it would be dishonest to claim that it is as bad as heroine just because they are both addictive.

>It’s an addictive hobby with similar detriments to addictive substances, yet advertising to children is ok. We lost that battle when states introduced lotteries. Government gambling.

gs17 3y ago

Do lotteries advertise to children in your state? I guess scratch-off game designs are bright and colorful, but here in TN the ads on TV/radio are largely angled at adults.

Clubber 3y ago
Yes, we have commercials and billboards and convenience stores with big billboards saying they sold a winning ticket. I don't really buy the argument that if advertising is bright and colorful, it's distinctly targeted to children. Most advertising is bright and colorful. The only decent argument from the smoking / vape wars was Joe Camel because he was a cartoon character, but I didn't know who Joe Camel was until I was ad adult. I think the advertising to children because it contains non-unusual ________ argument is pretty weak. If you mean advertise where children would be able to see it, absolutely, all over the place.

afiori 3y ago

Lotteries (gevernmental or not) and sport betting are worlds apart in term of societal damage

wincy 3y ago
I’m curious, how so? I don’t participate in either aside from maybe a few scratchers a year (like literally, 3, maybe) but at a surface level them seem to be very similar.
- Tyr42 3y ago
  Sports betting seems more social and seems more "skill based" in that you can follow a team and the news and try and make better bets vs a scratch ticket which doesn't care.
- standardUser 3y ago
  It would take a lot of effort to burn an entire paycheck on lotto tickets. It would take 60 seconds to do so with online betting.
  - vel0city 3y ago
    Many states have added online lotteries. https://lotto.com https://lotto.com
    - standardUser 3y ago
      The largest order I can make at one time is $30. It would take a lot of dedication to burn through a few thousand dollars, and it would come with no immediate feedback/reward for the effort. I'm not saying it's impossible to ruin one's life buying lotto tickets, but it seems highly unlikely and extremely boring compared to any other gambling problem I can think of.
    - afiori 3y ago
      Few people watch routinely lotto extractions with strong emotions, millions are sport fan that never skip a game. Nobody cares wether the next lottery has a 24 and millions care very deeply about who wins the next sportball cup. Both allow you to use them as an addiction but one has a far weaker and narrower pull.
      - vel0city 3y ago
        I'm aware there are lots of differences and I agree with all these points. I was just pointing out this fact because it was a recent surprise to me that these states would allow this massive expansion of lotteries to the internet. I think a lot of people still largely view state lotteries as those scratchers and what not you have to buy with cash at gas stations but apparently they've expanded to allowing online transactions with credit cards.
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- MandieD 3y ago
  I’ve seen several family members and friends who might have bought a few scratchers here and there, or even played “their” 3-5 sets of numbers twice a week, but otherwise kept their gambling to an annual trip to Vegas get sucked into sports gambling now that it’s always available on their phones. Not just the money, but also the amount of their mental energy it comes to capture.
- jankyxenon 3y ago
  People can delude themselves into thinking they have an edge in sports prediction skills. There's no analogous delusion for lotto.
Clubber 3y ago
I mean gambling is gambling. You make it morally acceptable, it's gonna seed society. You're just probably used to lotteries which is why they seem different. I've heard lotteries called a "hope tax," which is pretty morbid.
- afiori 3y ago
  Tautology aside "gambling is gambling" false just like "addiction is addiction" is false. I personally dislike tobacco and wish people would stop using it, but it would be dishonest to claim that it is as bad as heroine just because they are both addictive.