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If Big Tobacco is full of spooky masterminds, why were we able to virtually eliminate smoking in the USA?
by jdewerd 3y ago
If Big Tobacco is full of spooky masterminds, why were we able to virtually eliminate smoking in the USA?
- verdverm 3y agoVaping, or e-cigs, is on a strong upward trend in the US. The statistics are alarming
- lstodd 3y agoMmm.. so a giant reduction in bad health outcomes is alarming? How so? I'd remind you that those same big tobacco companies fight vapes tooth and nail. You might ask yourself - why do they do that.
- verdverm 3y agoI thought Big Tobacco is buying up the vape companies? Some cursory searching seems to indicate this is their preferred move. > You might ask yourself - why do they do that > giant reduction in bad health outcomes is alarming We are separating cigarette use from vapes. My "alarming statistics" is only for vaping. Cigarettes were down before vapes gained popularity. So since their introduction, health outcomes are becoming worse, would you not agree? In other words, it is not substitution at play, rather there was a reduction and now a new increase from vaping.
- lstodd 3y agoYes, big tobacco is all out trying to wipe out vaping. No I would not agree re overall health outcomes becoming worse. Much of the cig consumption reduction came exactly due to them being replaced by vapes. I can't think of where do you get that "health outcomes are becoming worse" because of vapes replacing cigs except from the big tobacco propaganda maybe. EDIT: assume pure nicotine consumption is not decreasing. what would you prefer -- smoke or vape? This is the question. Because otherwise you have to prohibit nicotine itself, and we know where this particular rabbit hole leads.
- verdverm 3y ago> Much of the cig consumption reduction came exactly due to them being replaced by vapes > assume pure nicotine consumption is not decreasing If you look at data that covers the last 100 years instead of 20, you will see these are not valid assumptions, at least in the US. Other countries are different, but this is a post about the US The vast reduction in cigarette usage has been attributed to the relentless anti-smoking campaigns, from statements on the pack, banning indoor smoking, banning advertisements, anti-smoking ads on TV, and ever increasing taxes
- dev_tty01 3y agoNope, they own or control the vape companies. Philip Morris owns 35% of Juul, and R.J. Reynolds owns Vuse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juul https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juul https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vuse
- lstodd 3y agoAnyone serious about their habits buys 100mg/100ml freebase nicotine/PG, some VG (Glycerine) and PG (Propylenglicol) and maybe a bit of flavors and mixes their own. A liter of this lasts a year and costs about a hundred-to-thousand times less than buying premixed shit with who knows what in it. This is what this all is about. No one controls chinese sources yet, but oh god do they want to.
- randomdata 3y agoIf there was group of spooky masterminds behind tobacco, why would they waste their time on a relatively small market like the USA?
- lostapathy 3y agoIs it eliminated or just pushed out of most public spaces?
- partitioned 3y agoI guess the fact that I can’t tell if this comment is serious can count as a point towards my autism diagnosis.