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When you have market power, your behavior has to be held to a higher standard. Apple has huge amounts of market power in the US cell phone market. It is totally

When you have market power, your behavior has to be held to a higher standard. Apple has huge amounts of market power in the US cell phone market. It is totally clear to any reasonable observer that they are using that market power to dissuade people from purchasing Android devices via the green bubble system.

madeofpalk 3y ago
"Making a product that people like and use" is abusing market power? How does Apple abuse this power in the US but not EU with no differences in the product?
- haswell 3y ago
  > "Making a product that people like and use" is abusing market power? This is a very one-sided framing of the situation and leaves out quite a few factors. People aren’t just buying Apple products because they like them. They’re being forced to buy Apple products to stay in the “in” group. They face exclusion by peers due to Apple’s dominance in the geo and in certain demographics. As I understand it, iMessage is not dominant in the EU, so the market conditions are quite unlike each other.
  - misnome 3y ago
    > They’re being forced to buy Apple products to stay in the “in” group. They face exclusion by peers due to Apple’s dominance in the geo and in certain demographics So, uh, factors that have zero to do with Apple are evidence that it is… abusing… the… market…? Are you auditioning for Apples’ defence team or something?
    - haswell 3y ago
      > So, uh, factors that have zero to do with Apple are evidence that it is… abusing… the… market…? How does this have zero to do with Apple? It has everything to do with Apple, because it’s ultimately their product decisions driving user behavior. Had they implemented support for RCS by now, this conversation wouldn’t be happening. They made the explicit choice to capitalize on their poor interoperability and decided to claim it’s for security reasons, which is pretty obviously bullshit.

madeofpalk 3y ago

"Making a product that people like and use" is abusing market power? How does Apple abuse this power in the US but not EU with no differences in the product?

haswell 3y ago
> "Making a product that people like and use" is abusing market power? This is a very one-sided framing of the situation and leaves out quite a few factors. People aren’t just buying Apple products because they like them. They’re being forced to buy Apple products to stay in the “in” group. They face exclusion by peers due to Apple’s dominance in the geo and in certain demographics. As I understand it, iMessage is not dominant in the EU, so the market conditions are quite unlike each other.
- misnome 3y ago
  > They’re being forced to buy Apple products to stay in the “in” group. They face exclusion by peers due to Apple’s dominance in the geo and in certain demographics So, uh, factors that have zero to do with Apple are evidence that it is… abusing… the… market…? Are you auditioning for Apples’ defence team or something?
  - haswell 3y ago
    > So, uh, factors that have zero to do with Apple are evidence that it is… abusing… the… market…? How does this have zero to do with Apple? It has everything to do with Apple, because it’s ultimately their product decisions driving user behavior. Had they implemented support for RCS by now, this conversation wouldn’t be happening. They made the explicit choice to capitalize on their poor interoperability and decided to claim it’s for security reasons, which is pretty obviously bullshit.