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if you can't do anything without being surveilled, are constanlty compared, and publicly shamed on worldwide media, guess what you may get. I don't know what's

by seydor 3y ago

if you can't do anything without being surveilled, are constanlty compared, and publicly shamed on worldwide media, guess what you may get. I don't know what's holding people back from starting the talk about public health effects of the new online 'cigarettes'

chiefalchemist 3y ago
Devil's advocate here...But isn't that all of us? We're all in the same fishbowl, why is the Gen Z experience more anxiety-based?
- seydor 3y ago
  cause they are at school and in their formative social experiences
- jstarfish 3y ago
  > why is the Gen Z experience more anxiety-based? Aside from being entitled and incompetent, they've brought domestic violence into the workplace to obfuscate this fact. They know it, and they live in fear of having what they do to others done to them. You see it in prison too-- the tension is palpable. Post-COVID, the number of bad-faith HR reports I've had to investigate has skyrocketed. People are trying to get exes fired for sexual harassment, bosses fired for criticizing them, colleagues fired for being abrasive...it's driving me up the fucking wall. I get people pulling Sam Altmans too, which is fun. I used to work with professionals. Now I do the dirty work of adult tweens.
- mensetmanusman 3y ago
  Nominal family structure is quite different and has changed rapidly in the past 50 years. Some family structures are much higher anxiety.
  - reverius42 3y ago
    Which family structures “are” (cause? correlate with?) higher anxiety?
    - mensetmanusman 3y ago
      E.g. families that have normal checkins at dinner time are lower anxiety.
- happymellon 3y ago
  I don't think they are. I had to listen to similar comments about Millennials. It's just the current youngest group, who are the least experienced so will be the most anxious. You just grow out of it, and forget how shitty it was when you first entered the workforce.
  - chiefalchemist 3y ago
    IDK, have you read "The Coddling of The American Mind"? Book or even just the article? Or even Michael Easter's "Comfort Crisis"? Each successive generation has had it easier and easier but... 1) Easy isn't how we evolved 2) The lack of adversity means some emotional muscles are underdeveloped https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-cod... https://eastermichael.com/book/ https://eastermichael.com/book/
    - happymellon 3y ago
      I'm not American, so no I have not read an article about why American children are being coddled. However it is a well known phenomen that the youngest generation gets picked on by those already in the workforce. Or are you saying that Gen X is still generally worthless compared to the older generations? The idea that Chris Rock was being a prick and mocking a group of people being unacceptable and rejected isn't any more surprising than comedians making racist or disabled jokes being rejected 30 years ago. There are plenty of actually funny people who don't need to do that.
tdubhro1 3y ago
Also, possibly a hot take, but many have been on caffeine since early teens, I am convinced the average person’s anxiety is 30 or 40% higher when on several caffeinated beverages a day
stillwithit 3y ago
You mean social media? Curious why social media is to blame when adults exploiting and denigrating youth is timeless. When society as a whole turns a blind eye to their future struggles; drill baby drill! What you want to afford a home and a fam? Lol no; hustle culture and technology to fetishize! Did social media manipulate the economy to deflate GenZ and empower the dying? Was social media responsible for 2008 crash, money printing? Government full of entitled people who don’t like what the kids had to say about them, so they retaliated. Is it tech or is it American Civic Life that’s garbage?
- seydor 3y ago
  anxiety is a disease. we didn't have a major war or famine so it's unlikely that material factors are so bad as to cause mass stress and anxiety like they do during wars. OTOH genz were raised under the watchful and judgemental eye of large crowds/mobs, and everyone thought that was OK. I think we will soon have convincing evidence that this sort of constant comparison is as bad as destructive addictive substances
  - dutchCourage 3y ago
    As an anxious millennial who left social media and daily news a while ago: Yes they're a problem. But the main factor is that we're destroying our natural habitat and fueling geopolitical instability. Both of these are extremely complex problems to solve and would require consistent efforts over generations. However the people in power are happily trading the future of humanity for more money and power, and finding support from a large section of the population in doing so. I can't speak for everyone but this is why I have a hard time working on my next jira ticket after reading the news.
    - hotpotamus 3y ago
      Try having that plus a bit of disability and trying to keep healthcare coverage while navigating employment/layoffs. And yeah, seeing the temperature anomaly charts this past summer makes you wonder if anything is even going to matter in a decade or two. I’m ever glad I never wanted children; I can’t imagine the anxiety of trying to raise them in the modern world.

by seydor 3y ago

chiefalchemist 3y ago

Devil's advocate here...But isn't that all of us? We're all in the same fishbowl, why is the Gen Z experience more anxiety-based?

seydor 3y ago
cause they are at school and in their formative social experiences
jstarfish 3y ago
> why is the Gen Z experience more anxiety-based? Aside from being entitled and incompetent, they've brought domestic violence into the workplace to obfuscate this fact. They know it, and they live in fear of having what they do to others done to them. You see it in prison too-- the tension is palpable. Post-COVID, the number of bad-faith HR reports I've had to investigate has skyrocketed. People are trying to get exes fired for sexual harassment, bosses fired for criticizing them, colleagues fired for being abrasive...it's driving me up the fucking wall. I get people pulling Sam Altmans too, which is fun. I used to work with professionals. Now I do the dirty work of adult tweens.
mensetmanusman 3y ago
Nominal family structure is quite different and has changed rapidly in the past 50 years. Some family structures are much higher anxiety.
- reverius42 3y ago
  Which family structures “are” (cause? correlate with?) higher anxiety?
  - mensetmanusman 3y ago
    E.g. families that have normal checkins at dinner time are lower anxiety.
happymellon 3y ago
I don't think they are. I had to listen to similar comments about Millennials. It's just the current youngest group, who are the least experienced so will be the most anxious. You just grow out of it, and forget how shitty it was when you first entered the workforce.
- chiefalchemist 3y ago
  IDK, have you read "The Coddling of The American Mind"? Book or even just the article? Or even Michael Easter's "Comfort Crisis"? Each successive generation has had it easier and easier but... 1) Easy isn't how we evolved 2) The lack of adversity means some emotional muscles are underdeveloped https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-cod... https://eastermichael.com/book/ https://eastermichael.com/book/
  - happymellon 3y ago
    I'm not American, so no I have not read an article about why American children are being coddled. However it is a well known phenomen that the youngest generation gets picked on by those already in the workforce. Or are you saying that Gen X is still generally worthless compared to the older generations? The idea that Chris Rock was being a prick and mocking a group of people being unacceptable and rejected isn't any more surprising than comedians making racist or disabled jokes being rejected 30 years ago. There are plenty of actually funny people who don't need to do that.

tdubhro1 3y ago

Also, possibly a hot take, but many have been on caffeine since early teens, I am convinced the average person’s anxiety is 30 or 40% higher when on several caffeinated beverages a day

stillwithit 3y ago

You mean social media? Curious why social media is to blame when adults exploiting and denigrating youth is timeless. When society as a whole turns a blind eye to their future struggles; drill baby drill! What you want to afford a home and a fam? Lol no; hustle culture and technology to fetishize! Did social media manipulate the economy to deflate GenZ and empower the dying? Was social media responsible for 2008 crash, money printing? Government full of entitled people who don’t like what the kids had to say about them, so they retaliated. Is it tech or is it American Civic Life that’s garbage?

seydor 3y ago
anxiety is a disease. we didn't have a major war or famine so it's unlikely that material factors are so bad as to cause mass stress and anxiety like they do during wars. OTOH genz were raised under the watchful and judgemental eye of large crowds/mobs, and everyone thought that was OK. I think we will soon have convincing evidence that this sort of constant comparison is as bad as destructive addictive substances
- dutchCourage 3y ago
  As an anxious millennial who left social media and daily news a while ago: Yes they're a problem. But the main factor is that we're destroying our natural habitat and fueling geopolitical instability. Both of these are extremely complex problems to solve and would require consistent efforts over generations. However the people in power are happily trading the future of humanity for more money and power, and finding support from a large section of the population in doing so. I can't speak for everyone but this is why I have a hard time working on my next jira ticket after reading the news.
  - hotpotamus 3y ago
    Try having that plus a bit of disability and trying to keep healthcare coverage while navigating employment/layoffs. And yeah, seeing the temperature anomaly charts this past summer makes you wonder if anything is even going to matter in a decade or two. I’m ever glad I never wanted children; I can’t imagine the anxiety of trying to raise them in the modern world.