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No. Apple given their scale and position in the market should be forced to operate and interoperate with an open standard for messaging. iMessage should no long

No. Apple given their scale and position in the market should be forced to operate and interoperate with an open standard for messaging. iMessage should no longer allowed to be proprietary and stay part of Apple.

CharlesW 3y ago
> Apple given their scale and position in the market should be forced to operate and interoperate with an open standard for messaging. You mean like SMS and MMS right now, and RCS next year? https://9to5mac.com/2023/11/16/apple-rcs-coming-to-iphone/ https://9to5mac.com/2023/11/16/apple-rcs-coming-to-iphone/
- xeromal 3y ago
  This is one of those technically correct comments, but missing the point. We're probably too old for this but the green message bubble vs blue message bubble is an actual thing that many people care about.
  - CharlesW 3y ago
    I have two kids in high-school who insist it's not a thing. I've seen their text chains, and they're all standards-based (green) because their friends have both. This isn't to say there aren't toxic cliques whose alpha-teen leaders insist on certain brands of phones, clothing, ebikes, etc., but just that the flames of this particular media panic are actively fanned by Google and Samsung PR.
    - xeromal 3y ago
      It seems like to me that whether it's real or not, removing the potential for it to be used in a bad way is a good thing.
    - bscphil 3y ago
      Someone in a recent thread said that they performed an informal survey of their friends and family, and there was unanimous agreement that each person would be much less interested in dating someone with green bubble text messages, because this indicates that there's likely to be a poor culture fit between themselves and the other person. To me, this provides an excellent argument for using Android devices if you are single and looking to start a long term relationship. Through one tiny choice, you get some of the most elitist, opinionated, and disagreeable people to voluntarily exclude themselves as potential dates, with no hard feelings on either side. It's a far better filter than most stuff you could put in a dating profile.
      - misnome 3y ago
        I would argue that claim (if not complete bullshit) said infinitely more about them, their family and friends. You are taking “these people owning an iphone are psychopaths” as “all people owning an iphone are psychopaths”. This candy fell into the mud. Therefore I will never eat candy again because they are all muddy.
        bscphil 3y ago
        I think you misunderstood, I by no means think that all iPhone owners are psychopaths. I'm not even opposed to owning an iPhone. I'm just making the case that if there are a significant number of people who will cut you out of their lives for using an Android, that's a really good argument for using an Android, because it's rare to find a way to get terrible people to voluntarily cut ties with you with no further repercussions.
- PrimeMcFly 3y ago
  No, we mean cutting out that blue/green bubble shit to drive wedges between users.
- barnabee 3y ago
  If RCS goes live on all Apple devices in all jurisdictions and that solves the problem then great!
  - upon_drumhead 3y ago
    It still won't solve the root of the issue. Android bubbles will still be green.
upon_drumhead 3y ago
Why stop there? Why not force every iOS app to support running on android?
- josephcsible 3y ago
  Because it's possible for competitors to build replacements for the rest of the apps.
  - meepmorp 3y ago
    It's possible for competitors to build replacements for iMessage, too. In fact, in many parts of the world, those competing apps are more popular than iMessage. You can go to the app store right now and install these competing apps, usually for free.
- skeaker 3y ago
  There is an obvious technical difference between a protocol like iMessage and the software stack required to run apps. Beeper Mini has shown with tangible proof that an iMessage client on Android exists. Nobody to my knowledge has been able to emulate arbitrary iPhone apps on Android (if they have then let me know, that sounds like an incredible project and I would be fascinated to see how it works).
  - upon_drumhead 3y ago
    There have been attempts https://www.theiphonewiki.com/wiki/IEmu https://www.theiphonewiki.com/wiki/IEmu

CharlesW 3y ago

> Apple given their scale and position in the market should be forced to operate and interoperate with an open standard for messaging. You mean like SMS and MMS right now, and RCS next year? https://9to5mac.com/2023/11/16/apple-rcs-coming-to-iphone/ https://9to5mac.com/2023/11/16/apple-rcs-coming-to-iphone/

xeromal 3y ago
This is one of those technically correct comments, but missing the point. We're probably too old for this but the green message bubble vs blue message bubble is an actual thing that many people care about.
- CharlesW 3y ago
  I have two kids in high-school who insist it's not a thing. I've seen their text chains, and they're all standards-based (green) because their friends have both. This isn't to say there aren't toxic cliques whose alpha-teen leaders insist on certain brands of phones, clothing, ebikes, etc., but just that the flames of this particular media panic are actively fanned by Google and Samsung PR.
  - xeromal 3y ago
    It seems like to me that whether it's real or not, removing the potential for it to be used in a bad way is a good thing.
  - bscphil 3y ago
    Someone in a recent thread said that they performed an informal survey of their friends and family, and there was unanimous agreement that each person would be much less interested in dating someone with green bubble text messages, because this indicates that there's likely to be a poor culture fit between themselves and the other person. To me, this provides an excellent argument for using Android devices if you are single and looking to start a long term relationship. Through one tiny choice, you get some of the most elitist, opinionated, and disagreeable people to voluntarily exclude themselves as potential dates, with no hard feelings on either side. It's a far better filter than most stuff you could put in a dating profile.
    - misnome 3y ago
      I would argue that claim (if not complete bullshit) said infinitely more about them, their family and friends. You are taking “these people owning an iphone are psychopaths” as “all people owning an iphone are psychopaths”. This candy fell into the mud. Therefore I will never eat candy again because they are all muddy.
      - bscphil 3y ago
        I think you misunderstood, I by no means think that all iPhone owners are psychopaths. I'm not even opposed to owning an iPhone. I'm just making the case that if there are a significant number of people who will cut you out of their lives for using an Android, that's a really good argument for using an Android, because it's rare to find a way to get terrible people to voluntarily cut ties with you with no further repercussions.
PrimeMcFly 3y ago
No, we mean cutting out that blue/green bubble shit to drive wedges between users.
barnabee 3y ago
If RCS goes live on all Apple devices in all jurisdictions and that solves the problem then great!
- upon_drumhead 3y ago
  It still won't solve the root of the issue. Android bubbles will still be green.

upon_drumhead 3y ago

Why stop there? Why not force every iOS app to support running on android?

josephcsible 3y ago
Because it's possible for competitors to build replacements for the rest of the apps.
- meepmorp 3y ago
  It's possible for competitors to build replacements for iMessage, too. In fact, in many parts of the world, those competing apps are more popular than iMessage. You can go to the app store right now and install these competing apps, usually for free.
skeaker 3y ago
There is an obvious technical difference between a protocol like iMessage and the software stack required to run apps. Beeper Mini has shown with tangible proof that an iMessage client on Android exists. Nobody to my knowledge has been able to emulate arbitrary iPhone apps on Android (if they have then let me know, that sounds like an incredible project and I would be fascinated to see how it works).
- upon_drumhead 3y ago
  There have been attempts https://www.theiphonewiki.com/wiki/IEmu https://www.theiphonewiki.com/wiki/IEmu