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Wow, a hackernews topic thats actually directly related to my specialty. Anyway, this article is spot on and this is a really rampant specific issue. “expert
by Lord-Jobo 3y ago
Wow, a hackernews topic thats actually directly related to my specialty.
Anyway, this article is spot on and this is a really rampant specific issue.
“expert witnesses have often overstated the probative value of their evidence, going far beyond what the relevant science can justify.”
This is the absolute center of the issue. Experts are used by the prosecution AND defense, but the experts used by the prosecution are often times so hilariously and openly biased that its insane how little pushback they get. Career cops with poor credentials that spend 30 years going from witness stand to witness stand saying literally whatever. You can definitely find biased 'pay for opinion' style experts for defense (its a profitable industry after all), and ive had the misfortune of trying to course correct them and their clients, but they are less frequently biased via a long career in law enforcement, and more importantly, get absolutely flambéed when they display the same level of bullshit as prosec witnesses. There are actual possible consequences for defense experts who lie, you get roasted in a news article that shows up on every google search and nobody with integrity will hire you ever again. That just doesnt happen for prosecution experts, ever. most media is terrified to highlight those bad actors because of the huge pushback they get from cops/cop unions/and more importantly the rabid facebook populace that will NOT stand for police criticism. and judges will very rarely hand down sanctions. after all, over a third (37 percent) of sitting justices (state supremes) are former prosecutors, while only 7 percent are former public defenders. (https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/state-supreme-court-diversity-april-2021-update https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/stat...)
The article cites a few specific examples of experts creating a huge wake of bullshit in the legal field as they trudge around making stuff up, but a more convincing writeup with broader examples of fraud in the field was done by the intercept here (https://theintercept.com/2015/04/24/badforensics/ https://theintercept.com/2015/04/24/badforensics/) in 2015. I can assure you the problem is still bad.
Dont think its better with digital evidence just because there are hash values and log files. I have seen (insert f.agency here) plainly and clearly fabricate evidence (and get away with it). Countless instances of smart people who, definitely, beyond any doubt, know and understand what their evidence ACTUALLY indicates, and instead inflate its value to a ludicrous degree.
TLDR; If its physical evidence, and not exact DNA match(think tire marks, blood spatter, bite marks), its wouldnt remotely be accurate enough to be court admissible if the courts were functioning properly and vetting expert witnesses properly. if its digital evidence, and there are claims like "person was at location x,y,z at time a,b,c" and not in the format "the device was more likely than not in the general vicinity at the general time" then they are talking out of their ass. in absence of security footage or the like.
my bias: if it wasnt obvious, i work with the defense the majority of the time, on digital evidence, and i am going to see and remember the transgressions of the other side more often. i try to account for that. not a lawyer. so much to learn in the field still. just an internet ignoramus
- twisteriffic 3y agoWondering how you got in to that field? A few years back I was asked to informally provide a technical review the prosecution's evidence in a case involving a former colleague. The police expert's sole credentials were a 10 year old A+ certification and a few employer-sponsored day courses, but was confidently representing themselves as an expert in networking/computing/technology. Their theory of the case was brutal - filled with nonsensical jargon, fabrications and misrepresentations. Things like "a computer behind a NAT is unreachable from the Internet under any circumstances". Instances where timestamps were implied to correlate but were actually 6+ hours apart once time zones were factored in. Pages and pages of things in that vein. None of that mattered - they were convicted anyway. It broke my faith in the justice system. The prosecution behaved in exactly the same way as today's legions of right-wing conspiracists, grifters and politicians do, because the truthfulness of their words didn't matter to them. Because the defense cared about the accuracy of what they were stating, they could be easily drowned out by confident, rapid bullshit and innuendo. I desperately want to find a way to help make the system better, but at every avenue the response has been "it's your funeral".
- Lord-Jobo 3y agoStumbled aimlessly from biology to IT to philosophy to comp sci to criminology, got a lucky internship while working on data recovery and hardware repair. Lots of informal ways to break in right now because demand is very high but the overlap of legal/technological is still hard to find. So many private agencies will take anyone with decent creds right now. I would straight up cold call medium sized (<12 people)private investigators and law firms if i was looking for work right now. Your story is sadly pretty common. networking might be the worst area for expert testimony right now because its so filled with proprietary tech and non-standardized jargon. ESPECIALLY the timezones, holy crap the amount of people who refuse to work in UTC. But that theme of 'ancient certs, terrible lazy theory' and zero pushback, is pretty much the norm outside of federal homicide cases. and even then. Im not going to pretend that defense teams are immune to the kind of 'ends justify the means' wishful thinking, but ive never seen even 1/5th the lazy fabrications or insane ass-pulls.
- Dyac 3y ago