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FaceTime or iMessage doesn’t matter, it’ll never happen. They want you to buy their expensive hardware to get those features, and releasing an open proto would

FaceTime or iMessage doesn’t matter, it’ll never happen. They want you to buy their expensive hardware to get those features, and releasing an open proto would create dozens of android implementations and hurt their sales, in some amount

withinboredom 3y ago
The cost of switching to/from iOS just isn't worth it for "just" iMessage. I don't think you're making a valid argument here.
- digital-cygnet 3y ago
  I know multiple people who cited iMessage compatibility as their top reason for switching and even have considered it myself -- the chilling effect that "green text" has on including non-iMessage users in group messages is real and has small but measurable impact on some of my relationships. It is particularly pernicious among teens[1], who drive a lot of this market (and, of course, become adults and bring their habits with them) [1] (paywall) https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apples-imessage-is-winning-teens-dread-the-green-text-bubble-11641618009 https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apples-imessage-is-winning-...
  - CharlesW 3y ago
    > It is particularly pernicious among teens… In my experience as a parent with two high-school-age kids, this is mostly a media-created narrative fueled by Google PR. I've witnessed their many text chains, all of which are standards-based (green bubble) because some participants are Android users. When I asked about it explicitly their response was "that's not a thing" (at least in SoCal). Note that I'm speaking in generalities. I have no doubt there are individual elite cliques where the alpha children demand that members have certain types of phones, wear certain types of clothing, ride certain models of ebikes, etc.
  - nucleardog 3y ago
    I know multiple people that have said the same. It had nothing to do with “green text”. They were annoyed that when people shared photos with the group they came through at shit quality. Outside of what I’m sure are some articles very in tune to teenage culture (BRB, POS), I’ve literally never heard of this as a status symbol—purely as a functional issue.
- dvngnt_ 3y ago
  lock-in is real. green bubble vs blue bubble will has social and dating implications
  - withinboredom 3y ago
    Is that a US thing though? Most of my contacts use WhatsApp.
    - shiroiuma 3y ago
      Probably; SMS seems to only be widely used these days in the US. Everyplace else, for personal communications, people mostly use various chat apps.
  - lp0_on_fire 3y ago
    > green bubble vs blue bubble will has social and dating implications IMO that's a "them" problem. By "them", I mean "people who let something as trivial as this have social and dating implications".
    - withinboredom 3y ago
      If someone won't date you due to "green bubbles" ... I think you may have dodged a bullet.
      - dvngnt_ 3y ago
        true but it still causes frictions with friends, family.

withinboredom 3y ago

The cost of switching to/from iOS just isn't worth it for "just" iMessage. I don't think you're making a valid argument here.

digital-cygnet 3y ago
I know multiple people who cited iMessage compatibility as their top reason for switching and even have considered it myself -- the chilling effect that "green text" has on including non-iMessage users in group messages is real and has small but measurable impact on some of my relationships. It is particularly pernicious among teens[1], who drive a lot of this market (and, of course, become adults and bring their habits with them) [1] (paywall) https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apples-imessage-is-winning-teens-dread-the-green-text-bubble-11641618009 https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apples-imessage-is-winning-...
- CharlesW 3y ago
  > It is particularly pernicious among teens… In my experience as a parent with two high-school-age kids, this is mostly a media-created narrative fueled by Google PR. I've witnessed their many text chains, all of which are standards-based (green bubble) because some participants are Android users. When I asked about it explicitly their response was "that's not a thing" (at least in SoCal). Note that I'm speaking in generalities. I have no doubt there are individual elite cliques where the alpha children demand that members have certain types of phones, wear certain types of clothing, ride certain models of ebikes, etc.
- nucleardog 3y ago
  I know multiple people that have said the same. It had nothing to do with “green text”. They were annoyed that when people shared photos with the group they came through at shit quality. Outside of what I’m sure are some articles very in tune to teenage culture (BRB, POS), I’ve literally never heard of this as a status symbol—purely as a functional issue.
dvngnt_ 3y ago
lock-in is real. green bubble vs blue bubble will has social and dating implications
- withinboredom 3y ago
  Is that a US thing though? Most of my contacts use WhatsApp.
  - shiroiuma 3y ago
    Probably; SMS seems to only be widely used these days in the US. Everyplace else, for personal communications, people mostly use various chat apps.
- lp0_on_fire 3y ago
  > green bubble vs blue bubble will has social and dating implications IMO that's a "them" problem. By "them", I mean "people who let something as trivial as this have social and dating implications".
  - withinboredom 3y ago
    If someone won't date you due to "green bubbles" ... I think you may have dodged a bullet.
    - dvngnt_ 3y ago
      true but it still causes frictions with friends, family.