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It is not about the time on the clock, but who controls that clock. If it is the employee they are happy! Get the 1am lover to do 9-5 they will be as miserable

It is not about the time on the clock, but who controls that clock. If it is the employee they are happy! Get the 1am lover to do 9-5 they will be as miserable as the 7-3 guy being woken up a 1am

water-your-self 3y ago
My best hours worked start at 7pm when the world is quieter and my peers arent around to disrupt me. Plus it feels good that the next time I see someone I have conjured a deliverable. Meanwhile, if you give me daily 9am meetings I am not functional at any point in the day
fatnoah 3y ago
Pre-Covid, I was a VP Eng at a startup (total eng team of ~40), I had so many "discussions" with the CEO about who was in the office at what time. The team was people from all stages of life and backgrounds. My QA lead got to the office at 6am and left at 3pm to avoid traffic. Another Eng was a single mom, and was in the office from 9:30am to 3:30pm, and then got back online for a bit after 8pm. Etc. Etc. Time and again, I'd simply reply with metrics to demonstrate how the team was hitting product & roadmap goals while improving quality. One that really made the point was the Github commit heat map, since there were commits ranging from 6am to 1am every day, with occasional outliers. On the plus side, I felt particularly well prepared for the WFH / hybrid era, since I was already in the habit of looking at results & outcomes (and setting expectations based on these) vs. hours of butts in chairs.
- kergonath 3y ago
  That sounds great. I wish more people in mid- to high-management would see things that way. From my experience, your single mom’s schedule would be great for me.
  - NearAP 3y ago
    These varied schedules won't work in every situation. Sometimes, people need to meet (even if virtually) or they need answers to questions and situations where people's schedules aren't kind of synced becomes problematic.

It is not about the time on the clock, but who controls that clock. If it is the employee they are happy! Get the 1am lover to do 9-5 they will be as miserable as the 7-3 guy being woken up a 1am

water-your-self 3y ago

My best hours worked start at 7pm when the world is quieter and my peers arent around to disrupt me. Plus it feels good that the next time I see someone I have conjured a deliverable. Meanwhile, if you give me daily 9am meetings I am not functional at any point in the day

fatnoah 3y ago

Pre-Covid, I was a VP Eng at a startup (total eng team of ~40), I had so many "discussions" with the CEO about who was in the office at what time. The team was people from all stages of life and backgrounds. My QA lead got to the office at 6am and left at 3pm to avoid traffic. Another Eng was a single mom, and was in the office from 9:30am to 3:30pm, and then got back online for a bit after 8pm. Etc. Etc. Time and again, I'd simply reply with metrics to demonstrate how the team was hitting product & roadmap goals while improving quality. One that really made the point was the Github commit heat map, since there were commits ranging from 6am to 1am every day, with occasional outliers. On the plus side, I felt particularly well prepared for the WFH / hybrid era, since I was already in the habit of looking at results & outcomes (and setting expectations based on these) vs. hours of butts in chairs.

kergonath 3y ago
That sounds great. I wish more people in mid- to high-management would see things that way. From my experience, your single mom’s schedule would be great for me.
- NearAP 3y ago
  These varied schedules won't work in every situation. Sometimes, people need to meet (even if virtually) or they need answers to questions and situations where people's schedules aren't kind of synced becomes problematic.