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I doubt that will do Twitter's advertising business much good.

by clouddrover 3y ago

daymanstep 3y ago
It’s already dead after what happened earlier this year.
- Aneugendil 3y ago
  what happened earlier in the year? The death or threads?
Arnt 3y ago
Right. But you have to admire someone who's willing to run a business into the ground for his ideals, even if those ideals are a leeeetle bit contrary to good sense. (Fuck Alex Jones and all those who hang out with him.)
- clouddrover 3y ago
  Musk hasn't demonstrated any ideals or principles. He has only demonstrated impulses. A year ago he would not reinstate Alex Jones: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/21/elon-musk-rules-out-conspiracy-theorist-alex-jones-return-to-twitter https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/21/elon-musk... And his supposed "free speech absolutism" is nothing but hypocrisy: https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/rcna81961 https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/rcna81961 https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/15/twitter-suspends-accounts-journalists-musk https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/15/twitter-s... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/07/elon-musks-hypocrisy-about-free-speech-hits-a-new-low https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/07/elon-m... Musk is an attention seeking narcissist. He is determined to turn himself into a cartoon and he is succeeding.
  - Arnt 3y ago
    Im my view, he's stuck reasonably closely to the "secret Tesla master plan" for almost two decades. Some people will point out that he hasn't stuck 100% to it, with which I agree, but as I read it, he's followed it more than closely enough to demonstrate that he'll follow his principles. And that plan specifies ideals, so he has ideals too. Quoting: "the overarching purpose of Tesla Motors … is to help expedite the move … towards a solar electric economy, which I believe to be the primary, but not exclusive, sustainable solution."
    - clouddrover 3y ago
      And it's just a shame that he felt the need to lie about Tesla so often? In 2016 Tesla claimed "as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver": https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now... That was a straight up lie. Where were his ideals and principles then? Why did he lie about the $35,000 Model 3? Why did he lie about the $40,000 Cybertruck? Why does he feel the need to lie about something as trivial as quarter mile times for a truck: https://insideevs.com/news/699260/tesla-cybertruck-porsche-race/ https://insideevs.com/news/699260/tesla-cybertruck-porsche-r... It's pathetic.
      - inemesitaffia 3y ago
        Isn't the model 3 around that price?
        clouddrover 3y ago
        Around that price isn't that price. They've had years to deliver on it. Still failing. That's the problem with lies. Lies make you a liar.
        inemesitaffia 3y ago
        You're telling me you can't buy a model 3 at that price? Because I'm sure you can. I checked.
  - rsynnott 3y ago
    Honestly I suspect that a lot of this is because his fan base rewards it. He seems to desperately want people to like it, and he’s largely burned any other bridges there, so he’s largely reduced to pandering to the more conspiracy-heavy section of the far-right. I used to be pretty sceptical about social media addiction as a concept, and I’m still inclined to think that it’s not a real danger for most people. But there definitely do seem to be some vulnerable people who it really breaks.
- 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
  "But you have to admire someone who's willing to run a business into the ground for his ideals" What ideals? He said just few months ago he'll never unban Alex Jones because: "I have no mercy on anyone who uses the deaths of children for gain, fame or politics." Those were his stated ideals. As you see they're worth zero.
  - illiac786 3y ago
    this. Elon has no principle or ideals, he makes strong and often insulting statements which he then changes a couple of weeks later. He's like a two year old, but significantly more dangerous.
    - 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
      Even uglier than the whims of a two-year old, he may be motivated by advance knowledge of today's news by Tucker Carlson: Carlson is moving forward with his plans for a private streaming framework for his shows. Effectively he's moving his show off Twitter. And fearing the coverage, I could see how Elon Musk wanted to find a similar figure to put in his place both to suppress the news of Carlson leaving, and to avoid the narrative of an "X-odus" spreading from big advertisers, to the prominent right-wing figures on X seen leaving. It all comes down to ego, appearances, and power. All very ineptly wielded, since if your best hope is inviting Alex Jones to your platform, you definitely have to stop and think hard WTF you're doing wrong.
      - illiac786 3y ago
        oh, I like “X-odus” so much. It’s “he did this to himself”, but twice over.
        3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
        The 𝕏-odus. ;-)
- renegade-otter 3y ago
  I respect someone who has "ideals" as a matter of principle, someone who will sacrifice and forfeit gain for those ideals. Freedom of speech! Also - I am going to make a lot of money in China, where people literally disappear for speech. If you are that rich, I sort of expect you to be a crap human in SOME way, but stop fronting like you have wings growing out of your back. Musk can say two opposite things in two adjacent sentences, but the Alex Jones thing takes the cake. I want to hear the "but what about the children!" crowd discuss this. Awfully quiet in here. Main-stream media something something. Main-stream media did not fire Twitters safety and compliance team, and did not reinstate the vomit stain of a human that is Alex Jones. Elon Musk did it - ALL of it.

I doubt that will do Twitter's advertising business much good.

daymanstep 3y ago

It’s already dead after what happened earlier this year.

Aneugendil 3y ago
what happened earlier in the year? The death or threads?

Arnt 3y ago

Right. But you have to admire someone who's willing to run a business into the ground for his ideals, even if those ideals are a leeeetle bit contrary to good sense. (Fuck Alex Jones and all those who hang out with him.)

clouddrover 3y ago
Musk hasn't demonstrated any ideals or principles. He has only demonstrated impulses. A year ago he would not reinstate Alex Jones: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/21/elon-musk-rules-out-conspiracy-theorist-alex-jones-return-to-twitter https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/21/elon-musk... And his supposed "free speech absolutism" is nothing but hypocrisy: https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/rcna81961 https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/rcna81961 https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/15/twitter-suspends-accounts-journalists-musk https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/15/twitter-s... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/07/elon-musks-hypocrisy-about-free-speech-hits-a-new-low https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/07/elon-m... Musk is an attention seeking narcissist. He is determined to turn himself into a cartoon and he is succeeding.
- Arnt 3y ago
  Im my view, he's stuck reasonably closely to the "secret Tesla master plan" for almost two decades. Some people will point out that he hasn't stuck 100% to it, with which I agree, but as I read it, he's followed it more than closely enough to demonstrate that he'll follow his principles. And that plan specifies ideals, so he has ideals too. Quoting: "the overarching purpose of Tesla Motors … is to help expedite the move … towards a solar electric economy, which I believe to be the primary, but not exclusive, sustainable solution."
  - clouddrover 3y ago
    And it's just a shame that he felt the need to lie about Tesla so often? In 2016 Tesla claimed "as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver": https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now... That was a straight up lie. Where were his ideals and principles then? Why did he lie about the $35,000 Model 3? Why did he lie about the $40,000 Cybertruck? Why does he feel the need to lie about something as trivial as quarter mile times for a truck: https://insideevs.com/news/699260/tesla-cybertruck-porsche-race/ https://insideevs.com/news/699260/tesla-cybertruck-porsche-r... It's pathetic.
    - inemesitaffia 3y ago
      Isn't the model 3 around that price?
      - clouddrover 3y ago
        Around that price isn't that price. They've had years to deliver on it. Still failing. That's the problem with lies. Lies make you a liar.
        inemesitaffia 3y ago
        You're telling me you can't buy a model 3 at that price? Because I'm sure you can. I checked.
- rsynnott 3y ago
  Honestly I suspect that a lot of this is because his fan base rewards it. He seems to desperately want people to like it, and he’s largely burned any other bridges there, so he’s largely reduced to pandering to the more conspiracy-heavy section of the far-right. I used to be pretty sceptical about social media addiction as a concept, and I’m still inclined to think that it’s not a real danger for most people. But there definitely do seem to be some vulnerable people who it really breaks.
3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
"But you have to admire someone who's willing to run a business into the ground for his ideals" What ideals? He said just few months ago he'll never unban Alex Jones because: "I have no mercy on anyone who uses the deaths of children for gain, fame or politics." Those were his stated ideals. As you see they're worth zero.
- illiac786 3y ago
  this. Elon has no principle or ideals, he makes strong and often insulting statements which he then changes a couple of weeks later. He's like a two year old, but significantly more dangerous.
  - 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
    Even uglier than the whims of a two-year old, he may be motivated by advance knowledge of today's news by Tucker Carlson: Carlson is moving forward with his plans for a private streaming framework for his shows. Effectively he's moving his show off Twitter. And fearing the coverage, I could see how Elon Musk wanted to find a similar figure to put in his place both to suppress the news of Carlson leaving, and to avoid the narrative of an "X-odus" spreading from big advertisers, to the prominent right-wing figures on X seen leaving. It all comes down to ego, appearances, and power. All very ineptly wielded, since if your best hope is inviting Alex Jones to your platform, you definitely have to stop and think hard WTF you're doing wrong.
    - illiac786 3y ago
      oh, I like “X-odus” so much. It’s “he did this to himself”, but twice over.
      - 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
        The 𝕏-odus. ;-)
renegade-otter 3y ago
I respect someone who has "ideals" as a matter of principle, someone who will sacrifice and forfeit gain for those ideals. Freedom of speech! Also - I am going to make a lot of money in China, where people literally disappear for speech. If you are that rich, I sort of expect you to be a crap human in SOME way, but stop fronting like you have wings growing out of your back. Musk can say two opposite things in two adjacent sentences, but the Alex Jones thing takes the cake. I want to hear the "but what about the children!" crowd discuss this. Awfully quiet in here. Main-stream media something something. Main-stream media did not fire Twitters safety and compliance team, and did not reinstate the vomit stain of a human that is Alex Jones. Elon Musk did it - ALL of it.