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That’s a fun set of features, but I don’t see the connection with the community. You can browse their mastodon feed and it’s just a bunch of vaguely liberal vag

That’s a fun set of features, but I don’t see the connection with the community. You can browse their mastodon feed and it’s just a bunch of vaguely liberal vaguely tech posts? I’d like to see which accounts are using the services for a better community

Always_Anon 3y ago
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- acdha 3y ago
  Where I grew up, that was called being polite and it didn’t automatically rule out anything other that liberalism. There’s a ton of room between disagreement and harassment.
  - Sophistifunk 3y ago
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    - suction 3y ago
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  - Always_Anon 3y ago
    >Where I grew up, that was called being polite and it didn’t automatically rule out anything other that liberalism. Where I grew up, that was called being polite and it didn’t automatically rule out anything other that conservatism. >There’s a ton of room between disagreement and harassment. There was a time where that may have been true, but we're far away from those times.
    - Novosell 3y ago
      Mind you, he said liberalism and not liberal. Modern day conservatives tend to be very pro-capitalism, which liberalism loved. Not sure when things got all turned around in America. Liberalism = smaller government and a free market. Yet in the US a "liberal" dislikes capitalism and wants more government? It's odd.
      - teknico 3y ago
        It’s a long story. Left and Right: The Prospects for Liberty - Murray N. Rothbard https://mises.org/library/left-and-right-prospects-liberty https://mises.org/library/left-and-right-prospects-liberty
      - dragonwriter 3y ago
        > Yet in the US a "liberal" dislikes capitalism and wants more government? American liberals love capitalism; its one of the key things that differentiates the liberal (center-right) faction of the Democratic Party from the progressive (center-left) faction, which is (largely, quite mildly) critical of capitalism, and, in turn, from the actual left.
- RuleOfBirds 3y ago
  God. "Freedom of speech" and "free of abuse?" Sounds like a nightmare! Liberals!! Where are the spaces anymore to be outlandishly an asshole and shut other people down?! :-|
  - hutzlibu 3y ago
    The thing is, what counts as "abuse" has considerably changed. There seems to be a shift towards, how someone perceives something, not how something actually is. That can mean, that it is no longer possible to speak about something unpleasant, as someone might consider that an insult - and that is then the opposite of freedom of speech. In other words, I don't enjoy the assholeness of 4chan - but I also do not enjoy overly polite spaces, avoiding all controversy. I am not clear yet, what this Oasis seems to aim for, but it might be the latter.
    - 8372049 3y ago
      Exactly this. It's worth pointing out how many comedians* have argued the dangers of today's "getting offended" culture. Not because they are 4chaners or far-right extremists, they certainly aren't, but because they appreciate the negative consequences it has for society. * Rowan Atkinson, Stephen Fry, Ricky Gervais to mention some of the most outspoken.
- h0l0cube 3y ago
  If you're looking for an oasis of 'gloves off' discourse, 4chan and its ilk already fits that niche. omg.lol harks back to a time on the internet where people were at worst just 'silly' to each other, and people would talk to random strangers on AOL or ICQ and the like with genuine curiosity and hope for the future of the internet.
jim-jim-jim 3y ago
That's the shortcoming of every alternative protocol and "indie web" community I've come across. They only attract existing techies and have a weird sheen of forced kindness about them. If you're just chatting with other programmers under American HR communication standards, then how is it any different to work? The true magic of the early web was somebody genius but decidedly untechnical like David Bowie shitposting at his own fans. There's no special line of code that's going to foster that. You have to ruthlessly curate a community to avoid a critical mass of sensitive nerds, but guess who the early colonizers of these alt platforms are. None of these communities will attract today or tomorrow's David Bowies.
- aaron695 3y ago
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- p-e-w 3y ago
  > The true magic of the early web was somebody genius but decidedly untechnical like David Bowie shitposting at his own fans. No, the magic of the early web was that people treated their online identities as a secret alternative life, rather than a resume for recruiters, friends, potential partners, and other real-world acquaintances to look at. The Internet of today is little more than a (distorted) mirror of people's offline lives. That's why the problems of today's Internet are the same as the problems of the real world. By contrast, the Internet of the 90s was an exciting world of its own, with rules that were dramatically different from those of everyday life.
  - hsn915 3y ago
    Also many of us were much younger, even teenagers, with little to no exposure to HR hell.
    - jackstraw14 3y ago
      Many weren't, too.
  - deleted 3y ago
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alex_lav 3y ago
I made an account and can’t seem to figure out where this magical community actually is? It seems like I can just link other open services? And for some reason I can receive email? Not a single other person(‘s content) in sight though.
- fLaMEd 3y ago
  https://home.omg.lol/directory https://home.omg.lol/directory
  - alex_lav 3y ago
    Okay. A list of names. Most of which are just a short bio/some of which don't lead anywhere. What now?
joeross 3y ago
> I’d like to see which accounts are using the services for a better community It’s more like after you use it for a little while you look up and suddenly realize you’re in a new but familiar feeling community. It definitely skews developer/blogger/liberal, is openly inclusive and mindful of accessibility (not perfect, but always trying), there's a lot of overlap with various micro.blog/IndieWeb/fediverse communities, a lot of folks with active GitHub accounts doing interesting stuff, a strong photographer contingent, an overarching “positive vibe” as the kids say, and a clear sense that you don’t have to remind the kind of folks who enjoy using omg.lol that there’s a person on the other side of the keyboard. Maybe that still doesn’t make much sense to you, but while I’m happy to pay for cool stuff people make on the internet, I’m paid up with omg.lol through 2030, which just isn’t something I would do anywhere else.
- proxyon 3y ago
  I on the other hand would happily pay through 2030 to avoid the people you describe on omg.lol. I dislike pretentious tech positivity and HR catladies policing my online life.
  - coldpie 3y ago
    Cool, man. No one's forcing you to use it. I'm sure you can find someplace else.
  - stjohnswarts 3y ago
    x.com might be a good place if you don't want the softer side of the internet...
  - rezoneight 3y ago
    There is no "pretentious tech positivity" but by all means save your money and stay away. They won't miss your sparkling personality.
  - joeross 3y ago
    Oof. I don’t think I e come across any of those people at omg but then again maybe I’ve been catpilled so I just didn’t notice. It's a nice place to hang out because there aren’t many folks… misusing words like pretentious and claiming literally anyone is policing their life except, you know, the police.
proxyon 3y ago
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- jay-barronville 3y ago
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- Spivak 3y ago
  Dude old Twitter was conservative west-coast brand libertarians and it's silly that people keep confusing them with liberals for seemingly no other reason than the NAP "as long as you're not hurting anyone I don't give a shit" means they're tolerant on social issues when they have basically nothing else in common with liberals.
  - proxyon 3y ago
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- bigstrat2003 3y ago
  This is the exact reason I refuse to touch Mastodon - the people who are Really Mad about Elon's purchase of Twitter are the exact people who made Twitter so toxic that I avoided it like the plague. I guess I'm happy that they are self sorting onto their own platform, but I'm going to stay far away from it.
  - TheHumanist 3y ago
    So we must be talking about the Jeff Tedrics
iteratethis 3y ago
These alternative networks are mostly lefty Twitter refugees whom indeed carry on their joyless identity politics and everything that comes with it. Everything is political, there's lots of dunking, excessive safety-ism and universal ideological agreement on everything. Toxic positivity, it's incredibly tiring and alienating. I think the whole world is done with it.

Always_Anon 3y ago

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acdha 3y ago
Where I grew up, that was called being polite and it didn’t automatically rule out anything other that liberalism. There’s a ton of room between disagreement and harassment.
- Sophistifunk 3y ago
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  - suction 3y ago
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- Always_Anon 3y ago
  >Where I grew up, that was called being polite and it didn’t automatically rule out anything other that liberalism. Where I grew up, that was called being polite and it didn’t automatically rule out anything other that conservatism. >There’s a ton of room between disagreement and harassment. There was a time where that may have been true, but we're far away from those times.
  - Novosell 3y ago
    Mind you, he said liberalism and not liberal. Modern day conservatives tend to be very pro-capitalism, which liberalism loved. Not sure when things got all turned around in America. Liberalism = smaller government and a free market. Yet in the US a "liberal" dislikes capitalism and wants more government? It's odd.
    - teknico 3y ago
      It’s a long story. Left and Right: The Prospects for Liberty - Murray N. Rothbard https://mises.org/library/left-and-right-prospects-liberty https://mises.org/library/left-and-right-prospects-liberty
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      > Yet in the US a "liberal" dislikes capitalism and wants more government? American liberals love capitalism; its one of the key things that differentiates the liberal (center-right) faction of the Democratic Party from the progressive (center-left) faction, which is (largely, quite mildly) critical of capitalism, and, in turn, from the actual left.
RuleOfBirds 3y ago
God. "Freedom of speech" and "free of abuse?" Sounds like a nightmare! Liberals!! Where are the spaces anymore to be outlandishly an asshole and shut other people down?! :-|
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  The thing is, what counts as "abuse" has considerably changed. There seems to be a shift towards, how someone perceives something, not how something actually is. That can mean, that it is no longer possible to speak about something unpleasant, as someone might consider that an insult - and that is then the opposite of freedom of speech. In other words, I don't enjoy the assholeness of 4chan - but I also do not enjoy overly polite spaces, avoiding all controversy. I am not clear yet, what this Oasis seems to aim for, but it might be the latter.
  - 8372049 3y ago
    Exactly this. It's worth pointing out how many comedians* have argued the dangers of today's "getting offended" culture. Not because they are 4chaners or far-right extremists, they certainly aren't, but because they appreciate the negative consequences it has for society. * Rowan Atkinson, Stephen Fry, Ricky Gervais to mention some of the most outspoken.
h0l0cube 3y ago
If you're looking for an oasis of 'gloves off' discourse, 4chan and its ilk already fits that niche. omg.lol harks back to a time on the internet where people were at worst just 'silly' to each other, and people would talk to random strangers on AOL or ICQ and the like with genuine curiosity and hope for the future of the internet.

jim-jim-jim 3y ago

That's the shortcoming of every alternative protocol and "indie web" community I've come across. They only attract existing techies and have a weird sheen of forced kindness about them. If you're just chatting with other programmers under American HR communication standards, then how is it any different to work? The true magic of the early web was somebody genius but decidedly untechnical like David Bowie shitposting at his own fans. There's no special line of code that's going to foster that. You have to ruthlessly curate a community to avoid a critical mass of sensitive nerds, but guess who the early colonizers of these alt platforms are. None of these communities will attract today or tomorrow's David Bowies.

aaron695 3y ago
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p-e-w 3y ago
> The true magic of the early web was somebody genius but decidedly untechnical like David Bowie shitposting at his own fans. No, the magic of the early web was that people treated their online identities as a secret alternative life, rather than a resume for recruiters, friends, potential partners, and other real-world acquaintances to look at. The Internet of today is little more than a (distorted) mirror of people's offline lives. That's why the problems of today's Internet are the same as the problems of the real world. By contrast, the Internet of the 90s was an exciting world of its own, with rules that were dramatically different from those of everyday life.
- hsn915 3y ago
  Also many of us were much younger, even teenagers, with little to no exposure to HR hell.
  - jackstraw14 3y ago
    Many weren't, too.
- deleted 3y ago
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alex_lav 3y ago

I made an account and can’t seem to figure out where this magical community actually is? It seems like I can just link other open services? And for some reason I can receive email? Not a single other person(‘s content) in sight though.

fLaMEd 3y ago
https://home.omg.lol/directory https://home.omg.lol/directory
- alex_lav 3y ago
  Okay. A list of names. Most of which are just a short bio/some of which don't lead anywhere. What now?

joeross 3y ago

> I’d like to see which accounts are using the services for a better community It’s more like after you use it for a little while you look up and suddenly realize you’re in a new but familiar feeling community. It definitely skews developer/blogger/liberal, is openly inclusive and mindful of accessibility (not perfect, but always trying), there's a lot of overlap with various micro.blog/IndieWeb/fediverse communities, a lot of folks with active GitHub accounts doing interesting stuff, a strong photographer contingent, an overarching “positive vibe” as the kids say, and a clear sense that you don’t have to remind the kind of folks who enjoy using omg.lol that there’s a person on the other side of the keyboard. Maybe that still doesn’t make much sense to you, but while I’m happy to pay for cool stuff people make on the internet, I’m paid up with omg.lol through 2030, which just isn’t something I would do anywhere else.

proxyon 3y ago
I on the other hand would happily pay through 2030 to avoid the people you describe on omg.lol. I dislike pretentious tech positivity and HR catladies policing my online life.
- coldpie 3y ago
  Cool, man. No one's forcing you to use it. I'm sure you can find someplace else.
- stjohnswarts 3y ago
  x.com might be a good place if you don't want the softer side of the internet...
- rezoneight 3y ago
  There is no "pretentious tech positivity" but by all means save your money and stay away. They won't miss your sparkling personality.
- joeross 3y ago
  Oof. I don’t think I e come across any of those people at omg but then again maybe I’ve been catpilled so I just didn’t notice. It's a nice place to hang out because there aren’t many folks… misusing words like pretentious and claiming literally anyone is policing their life except, you know, the police.

proxyon 3y ago

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jay-barronville 3y ago
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Spivak 3y ago
Dude old Twitter was conservative west-coast brand libertarians and it's silly that people keep confusing them with liberals for seemingly no other reason than the NAP "as long as you're not hurting anyone I don't give a shit" means they're tolerant on social issues when they have basically nothing else in common with liberals.
- proxyon 3y ago
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bigstrat2003 3y ago
This is the exact reason I refuse to touch Mastodon - the people who are Really Mad about Elon's purchase of Twitter are the exact people who made Twitter so toxic that I avoided it like the plague. I guess I'm happy that they are self sorting onto their own platform, but I'm going to stay far away from it.
- TheHumanist 3y ago
  So we must be talking about the Jeff Tedrics

iteratethis 3y ago

These alternative networks are mostly lefty Twitter refugees whom indeed carry on their joyless identity politics and everything that comes with it. Everything is political, there's lots of dunking, excessive safety-ism and universal ideological agreement on everything. Toxic positivity, it's incredibly tiring and alienating. I think the whole world is done with it.