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I'm not sure why Tesla's adaptive cruise control with lane assist is under more scrutiny than any other manufacturer. Every car has it at this point.

by dham 3y ago

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toss1 3y ago
Perhaps start by considering that Musk makes far grander claims about his "autopilot" and "full self driving" than other manufacturers. He's already sold many thousands of FSD upgrades with the claim that the cars would be worth multiple times their purchase cost because they could be an Uber-like self-driving 'goldmine' for their owners when they would be updated by 2022-23. Yet last year and this were full of news about how badly FSD forks up events such as left turns and encountering fire trucks. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and Musk really hasn't put up anything more than smoke and mirrors. If you want to go further, he's also choosing to be a very public liar. E.g., when Alex Jones first wanted to come back to Twitter, Musk's public response was “My firstborn child died in my arms. I felt his last heartbeat, I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or fame.” That is as crystal clear a statement as one could make that Alex Jones and vile liars and child-death profiteers like him are unwelcome — permanently. Yet, today less than two years later, Jones' account was restored. That's just the most recent egregious lie. So yes, making vaporware claims and taking money for them without fulfillment, and publicly lying about things people care a lot about, often merits additional scrutiny.
- meepmorp 3y ago
  > Musk's public response was “My firstborn child died in my arms. I felt his last heartbeat, I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or fame.” It's worth noting that Musk's ex-wife, Justine, disputes this version of events. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/justine-musk-elon-musk-dying-son-b2234938.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/justine-mu...
  - ProjectArcturis 3y ago
    So he was lying then too?
    - meepmorp 3y ago
      Maybe, though not all untrue things people say are lies. The death of a child can really fuck people up, and distortions of memory aren't out of the question. This is one situation where I'm personally willing to be charitable
      - pavel_lishin 3y ago
        Sure. At first. But then: > Yet, today less than two years later, Jones' account was restored.
SkyPuncher 3y ago
I found Teslas far less predictable because it attempts to work in so many situations. Most adaptive cruise is “simple” distance plus “simple” check for lines. It’s intuitive and generally easy to understand when it will and will not work. For me, Tesla does soooo much stuff that it’s hard to figure out if I should plan to intervene.
bdcravens 3y ago
Autopilot does well more than just adaptive cruise control.
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- dham 3y ago
  You must have fallen for the marketing / naming then. Autopilot is basic adaptive cruise control and lane assist. Every car manufacturer has the same thing. Are you thinking FSD?
Zigurd 3y ago
Tesla bets on vertical integration being a win. Overall, it might add up to to a win, but it makes it very very difficult to integrate outside suppliers' technology if you fall behind in performance.

I'm not sure why Tesla's adaptive cruise control with lane assist is under more scrutiny than any other manufacturer. Every car has it at this point.

by dham 3y ago

I'm not sure why Tesla's adaptive cruise control with lane assist is under more scrutiny than any other manufacturer. Every car has it at this point.

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toss1 3y ago

Perhaps start by considering that Musk makes far grander claims about his "autopilot" and "full self driving" than other manufacturers. He's already sold many thousands of FSD upgrades with the claim that the cars would be worth multiple times their purchase cost because they could be an Uber-like self-driving 'goldmine' for their owners when they would be updated by 2022-23. Yet last year and this were full of news about how badly FSD forks up events such as left turns and encountering fire trucks. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and Musk really hasn't put up anything more than smoke and mirrors. If you want to go further, he's also choosing to be a very public liar. E.g., when Alex Jones first wanted to come back to Twitter, Musk's public response was “My firstborn child died in my arms. I felt his last heartbeat, I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or fame.” That is as crystal clear a statement as one could make that Alex Jones and vile liars and child-death profiteers like him are unwelcome — permanently. Yet, today less than two years later, Jones' account was restored. That's just the most recent egregious lie. So yes, making vaporware claims and taking money for them without fulfillment, and publicly lying about things people care a lot about, often merits additional scrutiny.

meepmorp 3y ago
> Musk's public response was “My firstborn child died in my arms. I felt his last heartbeat, I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or fame.” It's worth noting that Musk's ex-wife, Justine, disputes this version of events. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/justine-musk-elon-musk-dying-son-b2234938.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/justine-mu...
- ProjectArcturis 3y ago
  So he was lying then too?
  - meepmorp 3y ago
    Maybe, though not all untrue things people say are lies. The death of a child can really fuck people up, and distortions of memory aren't out of the question. This is one situation where I'm personally willing to be charitable
    - pavel_lishin 3y ago
      Sure. At first. But then: > Yet, today less than two years later, Jones' account was restored.

SkyPuncher 3y ago

I found Teslas far less predictable because it attempts to work in so many situations. Most adaptive cruise is “simple” distance plus “simple” check for lines. It’s intuitive and generally easy to understand when it will and will not work. For me, Tesla does soooo much stuff that it’s hard to figure out if I should plan to intervene.

bdcravens 3y ago

Autopilot does well more than just adaptive cruise control.

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dham 3y ago
You must have fallen for the marketing / naming then. Autopilot is basic adaptive cruise control and lane assist. Every car manufacturer has the same thing. Are you thinking FSD?

Zigurd 3y ago

Tesla bets on vertical integration being a win. Overall, it might add up to to a win, but it makes it very very difficult to integrate outside suppliers' technology if you fall behind in performance.