> Climate change is going to suck, but I focus on the fact that we've been fighting against really horrifically bad reasoning skills. Whereas exerting effort t

> Climate change is going to suck, but I focus on the fact that we've been fighting against really horrifically bad reasoning skills. Whereas exerting effort to antagonize a portion of the public despite knowing what the consequences of that are (they will dig in even harder) is something other than bad reasoning. This planet is an exhibition of unrealized mass delusion, fuelled by mass specialized education, which further amplifies the phenomenon. > Climate change is really basic chemistry... It is also an extremely complex metaphysical phenomenon (watch out for that word "is", it is a doozy - also: it underlies most everything in our "reality"). Have you ever read any history of science, of times before we knew far less than we do now? How likely do you think it is that we have everything about causality figured out now, despite humanity (mostly) only studying the physical realm (while laughing at and calling names of those who do otherwise, some of whom actually recognize the folly in the current Streetlight Effect approach)? > ...if we can't get people to agree on that how are we ever going to solve problems with any actual complexity? Well, we always have the option of pulling the most powerful toolset in our arsenal out of storage: philosophy. Well, at least in theory we have this option (it is physically possible, but it may not be metaphysically possible). > Climate change denial is associated with a ton of other ideological issues that cause a lot of people a lot of harm, today, in first world countries. Not all of them are as scientifically definitive, but they share a pattern of people expressing opinion as fact. All ideologues state opinions as fact - take your comment for example. Even worse: doing so is a strongly enforced cultural norm - doing otherwise "is" "being pedantic". > I feel like painful mitigation efforts are too grand to even think about. The grandness is surely a problem, but our lack of capabilities in general thinking abilities is an even bigger problem in my view (a self-reinforcing problem, which makes it extremely possible to even realize). > So for me the mitigations are less about dealing with climate change and more about hoping climate change deniers just how reprehensibly they've handled this entire thing. Are you familiar with this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map%E2%80%93territory_relation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map%E2%80%93territory_relation To add to the controversy, I will add this gem: why during these conversations is the question of the degree to which our "democracy" is illusion[1] so rarely mentioned? It is (or at least could be) the primary coordinating force of humans, and human coordination is a pre-requisite for solving if we're going to address this problem - why is it that people are not able to care about such things? What is it about the system we live in that makes it not possible for people who are experts in systems analysis to analyze as a system? Will we now stick with convention and see an exhibition of 2023 memetics in response to this "hot take" of mine? [1] I would like to hope that we've moved past the binary question of is it an illusion by this point.