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Its not clear the point you are making here. If you are saying "I should not undergo KYC", then I'm afraid that boat sailed a long time ago. Be realistic. It i

Its not clear the point you are making here. If you are saying "I should not undergo KYC", then I'm afraid that boat sailed a long time ago. Be realistic. It is a necessary burden for both the customer and the provider. If you are saying "don't scan my face", then sadly you also have to be realistic because sadly $bad_guys have made "liveness" tests a necessity. Zero knowledge proofs might (eventually) be an option for the document-upload side, but is unlikely to ever be a solution to the "liveness" side.

trevyn 3y ago
The point being made is that no, the boat has not sailed. It is not necessary. Your version of reality is one of submission. You cannot comply your way out of tyranny.
- orf 3y ago
  Similarly, you cannot wish yourself out of reality.
  - trevyn 3y ago
    I think you missed the point. There are multiple realities, and you can choose which one to inhabit. A lot of people only see one reality, which is unfortunate. Edit: Minds on HN even simpler than I thought. Time for bed.
    - orf 3y ago
      I think you missed the point. There is one reality, and you can’t choose to avoid it. A lot of people say they can pick their own reality, but really they are just spouting a mix of wishful, naive or downright silly nonsense that lacks any nuance or understanding.
    - traceroute66 3y ago
      > There are multiple realities, and you can choose which one to inhabit. Meanwhile you appear to be living on a different planet altogether. So, let's do a quick check on your "no KYC" world shall we ? I can walk up to your bank and take all the money out of your account. You're perfectly OK with that ? Because that's what a no KYC world is. I can open up a bunch of credit cards in your name, spend like there's no tomorrow, with zero legal repercussions, leaving you riddled with debt. You're OK with that ? Because that's what a no KYC world is.
handity 3y ago
Both. KYC, as justified by antiterrorism laws, is out of proportion for a small one-person business earning roughly a living wage. In the eventuality that KYC could be justified, it should be in the manner of Estonia and other European countries, who have managed to implement digital signatures without the insanity of validating infinitely reproducible pictures of paper ID documents from the last century, and relying on data-hungry third parties to process biometric data through "AI" black boxes.

trevyn 3y ago

The point being made is that no, the boat has not sailed. It is not necessary. Your version of reality is one of submission. You cannot comply your way out of tyranny.

orf 3y ago
Similarly, you cannot wish yourself out of reality.
- trevyn 3y ago
  I think you missed the point. There are multiple realities, and you can choose which one to inhabit. A lot of people only see one reality, which is unfortunate. Edit: Minds on HN even simpler than I thought. Time for bed.
  - orf 3y ago
    I think you missed the point. There is one reality, and you can’t choose to avoid it. A lot of people say they can pick their own reality, but really they are just spouting a mix of wishful, naive or downright silly nonsense that lacks any nuance or understanding.
  - traceroute66 3y ago
    > There are multiple realities, and you can choose which one to inhabit. Meanwhile you appear to be living on a different planet altogether. So, let's do a quick check on your "no KYC" world shall we ? I can walk up to your bank and take all the money out of your account. You're perfectly OK with that ? Because that's what a no KYC world is. I can open up a bunch of credit cards in your name, spend like there's no tomorrow, with zero legal repercussions, leaving you riddled with debt. You're OK with that ? Because that's what a no KYC world is.

handity 3y ago

Both. KYC, as justified by antiterrorism laws, is out of proportion for a small one-person business earning roughly a living wage. In the eventuality that KYC could be justified, it should be in the manner of Estonia and other European countries, who have managed to implement digital signatures without the insanity of validating infinitely reproducible pictures of paper ID documents from the last century, and relying on data-hungry third parties to process biometric data through "AI" black boxes.