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> What would the ceasefire have done at the end of the day? It would better prove out that the UN is also a psychological operation to a non-trivial degree. >

> What would the ceasefire have done at the end of the day? It would better prove out that the UN is also a psychological operation to a non-trivial degree. > Would the UN kick Israel out if they continue the war despite a UNSC vote? The US is the military muscle of the UN, and as far as I can tell, Israel largely controls the US, at least with respect to Israel. Who Epstein worked for, and who has has on tape seems like a relevant aspect of this issue, that hasn't gotten much traction even on TikTok. > When push comes to shove the UN has very little power here... The UN, or at least the idea of the UN that has been distributed among the minds of people in Western countries, has massive power. Control people's beliefs and you can control the world, and the US and Israel are both masters at that game. For evidence, I present the conversations that take place on social media, including HN. > ...and is at risk of going the way of the League of Nations if it pushes too hard without having any meaningful enforcement mechanisms. Dare to dream! I can't think of any "reasonably" likely scenario how that could come about, but maybe I lack imagination. I do however think the decades long psy op that Israel and the US have had going in this specific region is at serious risk though. However, I do not underestimate the "Public Relations / Journalism / etc" skills of who we're dealing with - I think one well designed "event" could easily put most people right back into their trance.

_heimdall 3y ago
> Dare to dream! I can't think of any "reasonably" likely scenario how that could come about, but maybe I lack imagination. Its definitely unlikely in the near future, though it will die eventually and likely will happen quickly. I don't see many ways that happens soon, though depending how serious UN member states actually consider the war in Gaza, they could walk away seeing either how useless the UN is when one state can veto or when it becomes clear that a UN without teeth is only useful during times of peace.
- actionfromafar 3y ago
  I think one overlooked aspect of the UN is that it’s a way to gather a lot of diplomacy in one place. A constant mingling opportunity, if you will. As ugly as it is, still seems valuable to me. Therefore I don’t think it will be easily abolished.
  - _heimdall 3y ago
    Its one of those things with history that I always wonder about. Was a similar sentiment common shortly before the League of Nations fell apart? I also don't expect the UN to dissolve anytime soon, but I can't really put any reasoning behind that other than it feeling crazy to think the UN could be gone tomorrow or 6 months from now. Presumably, if enough nations take real issue with Israel's war they could get frustrated enough with political roadblocks and general lack of accountability and enforcement that they decide to walk away. If a few walk it may not take much for it to quietly slip away.

_heimdall 3y ago

> Dare to dream! I can't think of any "reasonably" likely scenario how that could come about, but maybe I lack imagination. Its definitely unlikely in the near future, though it will die eventually and likely will happen quickly. I don't see many ways that happens soon, though depending how serious UN member states actually consider the war in Gaza, they could walk away seeing either how useless the UN is when one state can veto or when it becomes clear that a UN without teeth is only useful during times of peace.

actionfromafar 3y ago
I think one overlooked aspect of the UN is that it’s a way to gather a lot of diplomacy in one place. A constant mingling opportunity, if you will. As ugly as it is, still seems valuable to me. Therefore I don’t think it will be easily abolished.
- _heimdall 3y ago
  Its one of those things with history that I always wonder about. Was a similar sentiment common shortly before the League of Nations fell apart? I also don't expect the UN to dissolve anytime soon, but I can't really put any reasoning behind that other than it feeling crazy to think the UN could be gone tomorrow or 6 months from now. Presumably, if enough nations take real issue with Israel's war they could get frustrated enough with political roadblocks and general lack of accountability and enforcement that they decide to walk away. If a few walk it may not take much for it to quietly slip away.