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Why Tesla Autopilot shouldn't be used in as many places as you think

28 points by tallowen 3y ago

thebruce87m 3y ago
> More than 800,000 vehicles have Autopilot While this is technically true, since Autopilot is a standard feature isn’t it more accurate to say that every Tesla ( almost 5,000,000 vehicles) has Autopilot?
- drewnick 3y ago
  Every Tesla from late 2014 onward. My May 2014 Tesla has no autopilot. That really hurt at first... buy a car for over $100k and it's obsolete a few months later when Autopilot and dual motor were announced.
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  - thebruce87m 3y ago
    Didn’t realise that, I thought they retrofitted a lot of hardware over the years.
    - simfree 3y ago
      Only if you paid for an upgrade and your car was compatible with said upgrade. Note that there are multiple different versions of these upgrades. The self-driving tech was originally powered by now Intel owned firm, but that firm pulled the plug on Tesla getting more chips from them when Tesla started making full self driving claims.
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ciconia 3y ago
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dham 3y ago
I'm not sure why Tesla's adaptive cruise control with lane assist is under more scrutiny than any other manufacturer. Every car has it at this point.
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- toss1 3y ago
  Perhaps start by considering that Musk makes far grander claims about his "autopilot" and "full self driving" than other manufacturers. He's already sold many thousands of FSD upgrades with the claim that the cars would be worth multiple times their purchase cost because they could be an Uber-like self-driving 'goldmine' for their owners when they would be updated by 2022-23. Yet last year and this were full of news about how badly FSD forks up events such as left turns and encountering fire trucks. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and Musk really hasn't put up anything more than smoke and mirrors. If you want to go further, he's also choosing to be a very public liar. E.g., when Alex Jones first wanted to come back to Twitter, Musk's public response was “My firstborn child died in my arms. I felt his last heartbeat, I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or fame.” That is as crystal clear a statement as one could make that Alex Jones and vile liars and child-death profiteers like him are unwelcome — permanently. Yet, today less than two years later, Jones' account was restored. That's just the most recent egregious lie. So yes, making vaporware claims and taking money for them without fulfillment, and publicly lying about things people care a lot about, often merits additional scrutiny.
  - meepmorp 3y ago
    > Musk's public response was “My firstborn child died in my arms. I felt his last heartbeat, I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or fame.” It's worth noting that Musk's ex-wife, Justine, disputes this version of events. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/justine-musk-elon-musk-dying-son-b2234938.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/justine-mu...
superduty 3y ago
Garbage article from the very first sentence. Par for Bezos-run media.
ProjectArcturis 3y ago
I already think it should be used in zero places. They lie with statistics to make it seem much safer than it really is [0], and Autopilot has a habit of disengaging 1-2 seconds before a crash, which lets it escape blame [1]. Frankly it's a regulatory failure that let Musk sell vaporware for years. [0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2023/04/26/tesla-again-paints-a-very-misleading-story-with-their-crash-data/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2023/04/26/tesla-... [1] https://futurism.com/tesla-nhtsa-autopilot-report https://futurism.com/tesla-nhtsa-autopilot-report
- pavel_lishin 3y ago
  > They lie with statistics Yep. For everyone who says, "even with the crashes Autopilot is responsible for, human drivers are still statistically more dangerous!", my response is, "how the fuck do you know given that we've had to pull the truth out of these companies like teeth?"
- pcdoodle 3y ago
  I'm glad someone is trying hard and dumping resources into a very difficult problem. Selling a dream is most marketing, it's the response and what you learn on the way that bear the fruits.
  - ProjectArcturis 3y ago
    Waymo seems to be making better progress without all the lying.
    - pcdoodle 3y ago
      You mean the old google trash bined project that operates with a waitlist and is sandboxed to 2 cities?
      - appplication 3y ago
        > operates with a waitlist and is sandboxed I’m not sure what to say if you think this is a negative.
barrysteve 3y ago
I miss when new tech was tested on military grunts and scientific r&d departments. Leave the test pilot work, to test pilots. Don't misrepresent the product to my family members so they can be your beta testers, at the cost of their lives when it goes wrong.
horns4lyfe 3y ago
Folks can keep going after Tesla (whatever you say, we know it’s just because of Musks politics) all they want, they’ll still sell like hotcakes because they’re vastly superior to the other EVs out there at the same price point.

28 points by tallowen 3y ago

> More than 800,000 vehicles have Autopilot While this is technically true, since Autopilot is a standard feature isn’t it more accurate to say that every Tesla ( almost 5,000,000 vehicles) has Autopilot?

drewnick 3y ago
Every Tesla from late 2014 onward. My May 2014 Tesla has no autopilot. That really hurt at first... buy a car for over $100k and it's obsolete a few months later when Autopilot and dual motor were announced.
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- thebruce87m 3y ago
  Didn’t realise that, I thought they retrofitted a lot of hardware over the years.
  - simfree 3y ago
    Only if you paid for an upgrade and your car was compatible with said upgrade. Note that there are multiple different versions of these upgrades. The self-driving tech was originally powered by now Intel owned firm, but that firm pulled the plug on Tesla getting more chips from them when Tesla started making full self driving claims.
- hkgjjgjfjfjfjf 3y ago
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ciconia 3y ago

https://archive.ph/yQwmR https://archive.ph/yQwmR

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dham 3y ago

I'm not sure why Tesla's adaptive cruise control with lane assist is under more scrutiny than any other manufacturer. Every car has it at this point.

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toss1 3y ago
Perhaps start by considering that Musk makes far grander claims about his "autopilot" and "full self driving" than other manufacturers. He's already sold many thousands of FSD upgrades with the claim that the cars would be worth multiple times their purchase cost because they could be an Uber-like self-driving 'goldmine' for their owners when they would be updated by 2022-23. Yet last year and this were full of news about how badly FSD forks up events such as left turns and encountering fire trucks. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and Musk really hasn't put up anything more than smoke and mirrors. If you want to go further, he's also choosing to be a very public liar. E.g., when Alex Jones first wanted to come back to Twitter, Musk's public response was “My firstborn child died in my arms. I felt his last heartbeat, I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or fame.” That is as crystal clear a statement as one could make that Alex Jones and vile liars and child-death profiteers like him are unwelcome — permanently. Yet, today less than two years later, Jones' account was restored. That's just the most recent egregious lie. So yes, making vaporware claims and taking money for them without fulfillment, and publicly lying about things people care a lot about, often merits additional scrutiny.
- meepmorp 3y ago
  > Musk's public response was “My firstborn child died in my arms. I felt his last heartbeat, I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or fame.” It's worth noting that Musk's ex-wife, Justine, disputes this version of events. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/justine-musk-elon-musk-dying-son-b2234938.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/justine-mu...

superduty 3y ago

Garbage article from the very first sentence. Par for Bezos-run media.

ProjectArcturis 3y ago

I already think it should be used in zero places. They lie with statistics to make it seem much safer than it really is [0], and Autopilot has a habit of disengaging 1-2 seconds before a crash, which lets it escape blame [1]. Frankly it's a regulatory failure that let Musk sell vaporware for years. [0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2023/04/26/tesla-again-paints-a-very-misleading-story-with-their-crash-data/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2023/04/26/tesla-... [1] https://futurism.com/tesla-nhtsa-autopilot-report https://futurism.com/tesla-nhtsa-autopilot-report

pavel_lishin 3y ago
> They lie with statistics Yep. For everyone who says, "even with the crashes Autopilot is responsible for, human drivers are still statistically more dangerous!", my response is, "how the fuck do you know given that we've had to pull the truth out of these companies like teeth?"
pcdoodle 3y ago
I'm glad someone is trying hard and dumping resources into a very difficult problem. Selling a dream is most marketing, it's the response and what you learn on the way that bear the fruits.
- ProjectArcturis 3y ago
  Waymo seems to be making better progress without all the lying.
  - pcdoodle 3y ago
    You mean the old google trash bined project that operates with a waitlist and is sandboxed to 2 cities?
    - appplication 3y ago
      > operates with a waitlist and is sandboxed I’m not sure what to say if you think this is a negative.

barrysteve 3y ago

I miss when new tech was tested on military grunts and scientific r&d departments. Leave the test pilot work, to test pilots. Don't misrepresent the product to my family members so they can be your beta testers, at the cost of their lives when it goes wrong.

horns4lyfe 3y ago

Folks can keep going after Tesla (whatever you say, we know it’s just because of Musks politics) all they want, they’ll still sell like hotcakes because they’re vastly superior to the other EVs out there at the same price point.