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Reading the page and encountering "web standards" got me thinking (red flag #1), why would I care for web standards in a terminal? Another red flag is bashing

by krzyk 3y ago

Reading the page and encountering "web standards" got me thinking (red flag #1), why would I care for web standards in a terminal? Another red flag is bashing vim. Final - looking at the code and seeing "electron".

tssva 3y ago
"Another red flag is bashing vim." The website in context of discussing their inline editor says, "Ditch vim for quick updates.". You seem to have a very low threshold for what is considered bashing.
- block_dagger 3y ago
  Agree, but I think the usage of “ditch” is a bit snarky.
  - orlp 3y ago
    "Ditch Vim" is definitely weird wording for people (like myself) that consider Vin great. I can understand it for those who don't grok it though, then it's rather frustrating.
- xuhu 3y ago
  I've never seen 'ditch' being used in a flattering context.
- codetrotter 3y ago
  I use vim and like vim. I think that sentence is not aimed at us, and you have to read the whole paragraph as one. I use vim keybindings in the JetBrains IDEs I use. And that’s because I came from vim. For me vim is the natural choice. And I use my JetBrain IDEs most of the time because of the added features. But for people who don’t like vim particularly much but who only use vim because they need “something” for small edits, I can see that it would be attractive to them to have a small VSCode-like editor for quick edits, when they normally use VSCode as their IDE. That’s the context you need to see it from, I think. For those people, it’d be an advantage to ditch vim, as they never particularly liked vim in the first place.
- sawka 3y ago
  Didn't realize that was offensive (although I am an emacs user)! Just updated the website to change that wording to "Great alternative to vim for new terminal users or quick updates!" :)
CharlesW 3y ago
> Reading the page and encountering "web standards" got me thinking (red flag #1), why would I care for web standards in a terminal? In part, I assume that "powered by open web standards" is a euphemism for "built with Electron". It likely also speaks to its inline rendering support, its extensibility model, and its ability to leverage Monaco for code editing.
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sawka 3y ago
No offense intended to vim! I've been using vi for over 25-years, and I use emacs as my primary code editor. I love the terminal. That being said, it can be daunting to use vim on a remote machine when you're just getting started (think intro CS class). Knowing input modes, dealing with strange copy/paste behavior, and no vi configuration out of the box is not a good experience. With Wave you get an option -- if you like vim, great, use it, if not, you have an alternative.

by krzyk 3y ago

tssva 3y ago

"Another red flag is bashing vim." The website in context of discussing their inline editor says, "Ditch vim for quick updates.". You seem to have a very low threshold for what is considered bashing.

block_dagger 3y ago
Agree, but I think the usage of “ditch” is a bit snarky.
- orlp 3y ago
  "Ditch Vim" is definitely weird wording for people (like myself) that consider Vin great. I can understand it for those who don't grok it though, then it's rather frustrating.
xuhu 3y ago
I've never seen 'ditch' being used in a flattering context.
codetrotter 3y ago
I use vim and like vim. I think that sentence is not aimed at us, and you have to read the whole paragraph as one. I use vim keybindings in the JetBrains IDEs I use. And that’s because I came from vim. For me vim is the natural choice. And I use my JetBrain IDEs most of the time because of the added features. But for people who don’t like vim particularly much but who only use vim because they need “something” for small edits, I can see that it would be attractive to them to have a small VSCode-like editor for quick edits, when they normally use VSCode as their IDE. That’s the context you need to see it from, I think. For those people, it’d be an advantage to ditch vim, as they never particularly liked vim in the first place.
sawka 3y ago
Didn't realize that was offensive (although I am an emacs user)! Just updated the website to change that wording to "Great alternative to vim for new terminal users or quick updates!" :)

CharlesW 3y ago

> Reading the page and encountering "web standards" got me thinking (red flag #1), why would I care for web standards in a terminal? In part, I assume that "powered by open web standards" is a euphemism for "built with Electron". It likely also speaks to its inline rendering support, its extensibility model, and its ability to leverage Monaco for code editing.

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sawka 3y ago

No offense intended to vim! I've been using vi for over 25-years, and I use emacs as my primary code editor. I love the terminal. That being said, it can be daunting to use vim on a remote machine when you're just getting started (think intro CS class). Knowing input modes, dealing with strange copy/paste behavior, and no vi configuration out of the box is not a good experience. With Wave you get an option -- if you like vim, great, use it, if not, you have an alternative.