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Aaand it's flagged. This kind of discussion is suppressed on HN too, not just on campuses.
by mcpackieh 3y ago
Aaand it's flagged. This kind of discussion is suppressed on HN too, not just on campuses.
- notavalleyman 3y agoI clicked flag. It's not suppression. Actually your knee-jerk "suppression" claim is pointing in the direction of why I clicked flag. It's because people are unable to handle these topics without delving into conspiracy theories. You had two paths you could have gone down. Path one - it's active suppression, which means mens rea, which means someone is out there silencing me, which means a conspiracy is active, to shut down criticism of Israel. Which means the Elders of Zion are at it again. Path two - hn users have clicked flag, so it's flagged Why did you choose path one? What about this topic is breaking peoples' brains so badly? That's why I clicked it. I don't want hn users to verbalise their anti-jewish theories.
- tremon 3y agoIt's because people are unable to handle these topics without delving into conspiracy theories. That's not a reason to flag a submission, that's a reason not to read the discussion.
- notavalleyman 3y agoAn article whose follow-on discussion is mostly offtopic conspiracy theories (which they were) ought not to be here, imo, but maybe I'm wrong on the guideline etiquette
- rewmie 3y ago[flagged]
- leereeves 3y agoHow is any of this a conspiracy theory? The campaign to silence criticism of Israel is well documented, even here on HN. "Israeli gov-led Zoom calls, WhatsApp chat logs, and other docs provide a window into the massive effort to shape online discourse and silence pro-Palestinian voices." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38572675 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38572675
- rendall 3y ago100%. Contentious political discussion is supposed to be something we avoid on HN.
- just4thought 3y agodo emacs vs vim uncontentiously.
- rendall 3y agoOr Tabs versus Spaces.
- catlover76 3y ago> Path one - it's active suppression, which means mens rea, which means someone is out there silencing me, which means a conspiracy is active, to shut down criticism of Israel. Which means the Elders of Zion are at it again. What a load of bullshit. "Anyone who thinks users are flagging this submission in deliberate bad faith must also believe xyz conspiracy theory"
- notavalleyman 3y agoThe user I was replying to wrote > This kind of discussion is suppressed on HN Typically people wouldn't use "suppressed" to mean: "there are disconnected users of this website who are, without coordination, independently flagging this submission in deliberate bad faith". Typically "suppression" would refer to a coordinated deliberate act. So I was simply replying to the most common interpretation of the user's words. I understood them to be saying that a deliberate (and not accidental) attempt is being made to prevent "this kind of discussion" from happening.
- mcpackieh 3y agoYou literally suppressed the discussion.
- shapenamer 3y ago"I deliberately suppressed this discussion and any claims of the discussion being suppressed are the reason I suppressed it and are also conspiracy theories and not real, even though I did suppress it." ya uh... ok
- catlover76 3y agoTBH, I don't think it's uniformly suppressed on HN. Any discussion of the topic tends to remain off the front page, regardless of its viewpoint or perspective (with rare exceptions, such as recently over the weekend). It seems fair to me, and it is probably healthier for all of us the less we are inundated with news and discussion about it. Nobody will change anybody's perspective about it, and none of us can do anything positive to help the situation. It is true though that a lot of people who were previously decrying things like "cancel culture" are pursuing it vigorously with regard to people drawing attention to Palestinian suffering, and/or at least keeping quiet when they see it happen.