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So, what's the "other side's" argument in this? Usually these opinionated changes come with some level-headed reasoning behind the changes. Or maybe not?

morelisp 3y ago
I imagine it's that reading user input through something other than the minibuffer is annoying, because if you have customized your input/editing keys, read-key generally won't reflect that.
lvncelot 3y ago
This is what I've been wondering here, as well. So far, the downsides (Change to an almost subconscious muscle-memory-task, added friction) of this are pretty apparent - what even are the upsides of this?
- rjzzleep 3y ago
  Attracting new users for with the old behaviour is too complex maybe?
  - dromtrund 3y ago
    Isn't named registers an advanced enough feature that it shouldn't be optimized for new users?
  - samus 3y ago
    The new behavior doesn't make me want to invest effort in learning registers. A notification in the status bar which register just got filled would be all I want.
  - mahkoh 3y ago
    I believe Mozilla has been successful with a similar strategy.
- vcg3rd 3y ago
  I use Emacs, mostly for Org Mode, but not registers. I also understand perfectly the problem, and I also can't understand the upside. The only clue I see is in the polite objection the author quotes who writes "I agree it's safer..." But I don't understand safer in what way or why 1 person gets to decide safer=better=forced.
  - deleted 3y ago
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lstodd 3y ago
Yeah, sure. People tried for years to extract the reasoning behind Gnome 2 to Gnome 3 changes and still no one has any idea. Almost as it's just and only petty power trips.
- domq 3y ago
  The “or maybe not?” part of the message you are replying to, tells me that someone got told.
- stjohnswarts 3y ago
  Gnome developers gave pretty thorough reasons why they made certain changes in UI and code design, or was I hallucinating that period of my life? I mean, just because one doesn't like designers' choices doesn't equate to "couldn't extract reasoning". Also, it's their project, and I hate that they ignored the user community it still fell under their authority to do it and let users decide if they would tolerate it or move to a different windowing system. Personally I just moved back to KDE and have stayed there, other than very limited resource systems where I use lxde or just straight terminal+tmux.
nanny 3y ago
See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38592984 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38592984

morelisp 3y ago

I imagine it's that reading user input through something other than the minibuffer is annoying, because if you have customized your input/editing keys, read-key generally won't reflect that.

lvncelot 3y ago

This is what I've been wondering here, as well. So far, the downsides (Change to an almost subconscious muscle-memory-task, added friction) of this are pretty apparent - what even are the upsides of this?

rjzzleep 3y ago
Attracting new users for with the old behaviour is too complex maybe?
- dromtrund 3y ago
  Isn't named registers an advanced enough feature that it shouldn't be optimized for new users?
- samus 3y ago
  The new behavior doesn't make me want to invest effort in learning registers. A notification in the status bar which register just got filled would be all I want.
- mahkoh 3y ago
  I believe Mozilla has been successful with a similar strategy.
vcg3rd 3y ago
I use Emacs, mostly for Org Mode, but not registers. I also understand perfectly the problem, and I also can't understand the upside. The only clue I see is in the polite objection the author quotes who writes "I agree it's safer..." But I don't understand safer in what way or why 1 person gets to decide safer=better=forced.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]

lstodd 3y ago

Yeah, sure. People tried for years to extract the reasoning behind Gnome 2 to Gnome 3 changes and still no one has any idea. Almost as it's just and only petty power trips.

domq 3y ago
The “or maybe not?” part of the message you are replying to, tells me that someone got told.
stjohnswarts 3y ago
Gnome developers gave pretty thorough reasons why they made certain changes in UI and code design, or was I hallucinating that period of my life? I mean, just because one doesn't like designers' choices doesn't equate to "couldn't extract reasoning". Also, it's their project, and I hate that they ignored the user community it still fell under their authority to do it and let users decide if they would tolerate it or move to a different windowing system. Personally I just moved back to KDE and have stayed there, other than very limited resource systems where I use lxde or just straight terminal+tmux.

nanny 3y ago

See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38592984 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38592984