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Nobody ships vanilla kernels. Sure the reference implementation was unaffected but users never experience vanilla Linux kernels

dezgeg 3y ago
Distros like Arch and NixOS use the vanilla kernel with very small amount (single digits) of patches on top. For the purposes of ext4, it's very likely to be as-is with vanilla. (I am counting the official linux-stable releases from kernel.org as 'vanilla' here.)
- megous 3y ago
  Fedora, openSUSE tumbleweed, Manjaro,...
  - keep_reading 3y ago
    > Fedora You know it's not that hard to debunk this: > You'll then be left with a kernel-6.X.? directory, containing both an unpatched 'vanilla-6.X.?' dir, and a linux-6.X.?-noarch hardlinked dir which has the Fedora patches applied. [1] WOW fedora patches! Sounds to me like they're not shipping vanilla. [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kernel https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kernel
    - megous 3y ago
      That's not what my original argument was about. So not sure what you're debunking. I have problem with backaptching 10s of thousands of changes to years old kernels by people who don't really understand the changes or consequences, like 5.4, 5.15, 6.1 or whatever. Not patching up 6.6 or 6.7 kernel with a few out of tree patches, where they mostly understand what they're doing and can test the limited set of changes they're applying.
      - keep_reading 3y ago
        If they change anything it's no longer vanilla. Anything at all. No matter how insignificant.
- keep_reading 3y ago
  Even a single patch to something like default kernel config parameters means it's not vanilla. I'm not arguing that there are significant patches, only that nobody seems to ship a true vanilla kernel.
  - jcalvinowens 3y ago
    > Even a single patch to something like default kernel config parameters means it's not vanilla. Anybody who cares that much is very likely already compiling their own kernels (I speak for myself here). It doesn't make sense for distros to do the extra work to support it. Just expanding on this a bit: my Debian laptop has a Kconfig with modules disabled that only includes the exact set of drivers it needs. It takes ten minutes to rebuild on the laptop when I pull from git. Even if Debian did all the work to let me automatically install the latest vanilla kernel... I'd still build it myself.

dezgeg 3y ago

Distros like Arch and NixOS use the vanilla kernel with very small amount (single digits) of patches on top. For the purposes of ext4, it's very likely to be as-is with vanilla. (I am counting the official linux-stable releases from kernel.org as 'vanilla' here.)

megous 3y ago
Fedora, openSUSE tumbleweed, Manjaro,...
- keep_reading 3y ago
  > Fedora You know it's not that hard to debunk this: > You'll then be left with a kernel-6.X.? directory, containing both an unpatched 'vanilla-6.X.?' dir, and a linux-6.X.?-noarch hardlinked dir which has the Fedora patches applied. [1] WOW fedora patches! Sounds to me like they're not shipping vanilla. [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kernel https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kernel
  - megous 3y ago
    That's not what my original argument was about. So not sure what you're debunking. I have problem with backaptching 10s of thousands of changes to years old kernels by people who don't really understand the changes or consequences, like 5.4, 5.15, 6.1 or whatever. Not patching up 6.6 or 6.7 kernel with a few out of tree patches, where they mostly understand what they're doing and can test the limited set of changes they're applying.
    - keep_reading 3y ago
      If they change anything it's no longer vanilla. Anything at all. No matter how insignificant.
keep_reading 3y ago
Even a single patch to something like default kernel config parameters means it's not vanilla. I'm not arguing that there are significant patches, only that nobody seems to ship a true vanilla kernel.
- jcalvinowens 3y ago
  > Even a single patch to something like default kernel config parameters means it's not vanilla. Anybody who cares that much is very likely already compiling their own kernels (I speak for myself here). It doesn't make sense for distros to do the extra work to support it. Just expanding on this a bit: my Debian laptop has a Kconfig with modules disabled that only includes the exact set of drivers it needs. It takes ten minutes to rebuild on the laptop when I pull from git. Even if Debian did all the work to let me automatically install the latest vanilla kernel... I'd still build it myself.