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Why does the car allow self-driving in "conditions it's not intended"? It's not like the car doesn't have the sensors to know! Just disable it.

KolmogorovComp 3y ago
Because it is not legally enforced. Why does the car allow overspeeding? Why does the car allow the driver to use a phone while driving? In the end it’s the responsibility of the driver. (I’m not saying I agree with this view, but this most probably the one behind Testla choice, as well as… cost, obviously).
- gonzo41 3y ago
  They should probably call it something other than 'auto' pilot.
  - RcouF1uZ4gsC 3y ago
    Well technically, it does pilot and “auto”.
  - omgmovieslol 3y ago
    Nah. Most autopilots in general aviation will gladly let you kill yourself by flying into terrain or stall while trying to climb. They actually do less than Tesla autopilot, since you usually still control the throttle.
    - xvinci 3y ago
      While you are right, using those autopilots requires a license which at least in europe is waaaaaaaay harder and expensive to get. Hell I am fine with people using something called Autopilot in the car if you get instructed on how-to, but you are absolutely not. Throw teslas and elons sometimes very misleading statements in the mix and I have to disagree with you ,sorry.
      - gonzo41 3y ago
        I agree, the hype of auto pilot was that it really was magically autonomous. But it's not. It's just fancy lane assist and you still have to pay attention. There's no jumping in the car drunk and getting it drive home.
- idopmstuff 3y ago
  The speeding one is an interesting analogy and a good question - why not force cars to cap their top speed at the highest speed possible on the freeway? I imagine the answer is that capping speed like that wasn't possible for the initial cars, and so people just got used to being able to speed and don't want it to go away now.
  - spanktheuser 3y ago
    Possibly because there are circumstances in which speeding is necessary? I’ve been the driver and the passenger in a vehicle being driven to a distant emergency room. In both cases speed of arrival was of the essence.
    - sobkas 3y ago
      > Possibly because there are circumstances in which speeding is necessary? I’ve been the driver and the passenger in a vehicle being driven to a distant emergency room. In both cases speed of arrival was of the essence. There are ways to make speeding possible while keeping abuse minimal. For example mergency switch that could allow speeding but for example enabled alarm that in normal use would be to annoying and resetting would be neede. There are many ways it could be done in. I believe car nerds could think of something more reliable. Also do we really know that emergency speeding saves more people than are killed due to speeding? We give such excuses, but are we sure it's really warranted?
      - cassianoleal 3y ago
        > enabled alarm that in normal use would be to annoying and resetting would be need So you want a driver in an already stressful situation to be nagged periodically with an alarm that "in normal use would be too annoying" (i.e. during stress, it will certainly be much more annoying)? That doesn't sound like a good solution.
    - acdha 3y ago
      It happens but it’s quite rare that someone is in a situation where going that much faster than normal is actually a good trade (more likely that they’ll crash or get t-boned running a red light). You could probably work with that by shifting the risk back to the driver: allow the override to work by disabling the entertainment system (few boy racers like driving in silence) and have it blink the lights, play a warning over the external speakers, and text the local emergency number to alert them. If you have a buddy bleeding out in the back seat, you will welcome the attention and the cops are going to escort you to the hospital.
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chillingeffect 3y ago
Not only would basic geo-fencing be simple, other mfrs have aleeady done it: >Tesla’s commitment to driver independence and responsibility is different from some competitors, whose driver-assistance technologies are loaded with high-definition maps with rigorous levels of detail that can tip vehicles off to potential roadway hazards and obstructions. Some manufacturers, including Ford and General Motors, also only allow the technology to work on compatible roadways that have been meticulously mapped.

KolmogorovComp 3y ago

Because it is not legally enforced. Why does the car allow overspeeding? Why does the car allow the driver to use a phone while driving? In the end it’s the responsibility of the driver. (I’m not saying I agree with this view, but this most probably the one behind Testla choice, as well as… cost, obviously).

gonzo41 3y ago
They should probably call it something other than 'auto' pilot.
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 3y ago
  Well technically, it does pilot and “auto”.
- omgmovieslol 3y ago
  Nah. Most autopilots in general aviation will gladly let you kill yourself by flying into terrain or stall while trying to climb. They actually do less than Tesla autopilot, since you usually still control the throttle.
  - xvinci 3y ago
    While you are right, using those autopilots requires a license which at least in europe is waaaaaaaay harder and expensive to get. Hell I am fine with people using something called Autopilot in the car if you get instructed on how-to, but you are absolutely not. Throw teslas and elons sometimes very misleading statements in the mix and I have to disagree with you ,sorry.
    - gonzo41 3y ago
      I agree, the hype of auto pilot was that it really was magically autonomous. But it's not. It's just fancy lane assist and you still have to pay attention. There's no jumping in the car drunk and getting it drive home.
idopmstuff 3y ago
The speeding one is an interesting analogy and a good question - why not force cars to cap their top speed at the highest speed possible on the freeway? I imagine the answer is that capping speed like that wasn't possible for the initial cars, and so people just got used to being able to speed and don't want it to go away now.
- spanktheuser 3y ago
  Possibly because there are circumstances in which speeding is necessary? I’ve been the driver and the passenger in a vehicle being driven to a distant emergency room. In both cases speed of arrival was of the essence.
  - sobkas 3y ago
    > Possibly because there are circumstances in which speeding is necessary? I’ve been the driver and the passenger in a vehicle being driven to a distant emergency room. In both cases speed of arrival was of the essence. There are ways to make speeding possible while keeping abuse minimal. For example mergency switch that could allow speeding but for example enabled alarm that in normal use would be to annoying and resetting would be neede. There are many ways it could be done in. I believe car nerds could think of something more reliable. Also do we really know that emergency speeding saves more people than are killed due to speeding? We give such excuses, but are we sure it's really warranted?
    - cassianoleal 3y ago
      > enabled alarm that in normal use would be to annoying and resetting would be need So you want a driver in an already stressful situation to be nagged periodically with an alarm that "in normal use would be too annoying" (i.e. during stress, it will certainly be much more annoying)? That doesn't sound like a good solution.
  - acdha 3y ago
    It happens but it’s quite rare that someone is in a situation where going that much faster than normal is actually a good trade (more likely that they’ll crash or get t-boned running a red light). You could probably work with that by shifting the risk back to the driver: allow the override to work by disabling the entertainment system (few boy racers like driving in silence) and have it blink the lights, play a warning over the external speakers, and text the local emergency number to alert them. If you have a buddy bleeding out in the back seat, you will welcome the attention and the cops are going to escort you to the hospital.
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chillingeffect 3y ago

Not only would basic geo-fencing be simple, other mfrs have aleeady done it: >Tesla’s commitment to driver independence and responsibility is different from some competitors, whose driver-assistance technologies are loaded with high-definition maps with rigorous levels of detail that can tip vehicles off to potential roadway hazards and obstructions. Some manufacturers, including Ford and General Motors, also only allow the technology to work on compatible roadways that have been meticulously mapped.