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Tesla drivers run Autopilot where it's not intended – with deadly consequences
- jonathantf2 3y agohttps://archive.is/PentB https://archive.is/PentB
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- jgalt212 3y agoYeah, well maybe if it wasn't called Full Self Driving less people would use it as such. Where the f is Lina Khan on this?
- losvedir 3y agoIt's not. Autopilot is basically just traffic aware cruise control and lane keep. FSD is a paid add-on that does other stuff.
- jgalt212 3y agoFSD and Autopilot are both words used to empower deceptive and dangerous marketing messages.
- tiahura 3y agoJgalt indeed.
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- tmikaeld 3y agoWhy does the car allow self-driving in "conditions it's not intended"? It's not like the car doesn't have the sensors to know! Just disable it.
- KolmogorovComp 3y agoBecause it is not legally enforced. Why does the car allow overspeeding? Why does the car allow the driver to use a phone while driving? In the end it’s the responsibility of the driver. (I’m not saying I agree with this view, but this most probably the one behind Testla choice, as well as… cost, obviously).
- gonzo41 3y agoThey should probably call it something other than 'auto' pilot.
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 3y agoWell technically, it does pilot and “auto”.
- omgmovieslol 3y agoNah. Most autopilots in general aviation will gladly let you kill yourself by flying into terrain or stall while trying to climb. They actually do less than Tesla autopilot, since you usually still control the throttle.
- xvinci 3y agoWhile you are right, using those autopilots requires a license which at least in europe is waaaaaaaay harder and expensive to get. Hell I am fine with people using something called Autopilot in the car if you get instructed on how-to, but you are absolutely not. Throw teslas and elons sometimes very misleading statements in the mix and I have to disagree with you ,sorry.
- gedy 3y agoIt seems like if it was called lane assist cruise control, etc. it would be a lot clearer. I'd prefer that first to requiring geo locks, tracking, etc because people want to stare at their phones.
- supermatt 3y ago> NHTSA said it would be too complex and resource-intensive to verify that systems such as Tesla Autopilot are used within the conditions for which they are designed, and it potentially would not fix the problem. So why not just TELL Tesla that it needs to operate within those conditions, and then enforce when it fails to do so? How can this regulatory body be so ass-backwards.
- spacecadet 3y agoWhy not tell automakers not to make vehicles capable of achieving speeds over 50-70mph? Im not arguing with you, just pointing out that plenty of enforcements are in place related to automobiles and they are all "honor system" and "expensive to enforce", even speeding, which can largely be automated is still expensive to enforce...
- supermatt 3y agoPeople choose to speed - they don’t choose for their cars driving aids not to work as advertised. If it is known that these aids don’t work in certain situations, then they should be prevented from being activated in those situations. They don’t need to enforce all offences, just those reported, such as the one mentioned in the article. The car already collects its own evidence. What has changed since that incident? Incremental improvements no doubt, but it is STILL known that those aids do not work effectively, and shouldn’t be operated on country lanes, yet you can easily activate them with no warning.
- spacecadet 3y agoSure. Im not going to respond any further then, you should explore this further, because you are making hella assumptions and clearly don't understand federal/state traffic laws in the US. Also, chill out, I was only suggesting a thought exercise about choice... not arguing with you.
- supermatt 3y agoWhat makes you think I’m not chilled? Are you responding to some other comment maybe?
- empressplay 3y agoIrresponsible people do irresponsible things -- film at 11.
- cs702 3y agoTo the moderators: I disagree with the OP's arguments and conclusions, but I don't think it should be flagged: The topic is interesting, and also important. It gets to the heart of a question that as a society we must answer: Who is, and who should be, held responsible for these accidents, today and in the future?
- mv1234 3y agoWhy was this flagged?
- r721 3y agoOne hypothesis is that Tesla fans flag negative stories.