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I don't buy it. Quantum fields aren't magical, they follow rules the same as EM fields and chemical interactions. If N physical domains aren't sufficient to exp

I don't buy it. Quantum fields aren't magical, they follow rules the same as EM fields and chemical interactions. If N physical domains aren't sufficient to explain qualia, how will N+1 change things?

hnfong 3y ago
Make the science complicated enough that it could be confused for another complicated thing that we don’t fully understand.
anon291 3y ago
If the new field is the one that creates feeling than it would indeed be a better explanation. To prove this, you would have to create a physical process that could excite the 'feeling field', use that process to create a region of non zero charge in the feeling field and then determine if humans placed in this area of elevated feeling charge felt different. If they did, then that's proof of some kind of feeling charge. As for the 'why would n+1 explain it'.. it's the same reason we invented the strong force... To explain things that cannot be explained. Qualia is inexplicable, thus it would seem to be a straightforwards application of the same principle
- colanderman 3y ago
  We can already induce various feelings and qualia through the use of chemicals (drugs) and EM fields (tDCS). There's no evidence or proof that these physical domains are insufficient to explain qualia. Likewise, demonstrating that feelings and qualia can be induced via quantum interactions doesn't reveal anything deeper about their nature than does the fact that we can induce happiness or hallucinations with drugs.
  - anon291 3y ago
    > There's no evidence or proof that these physical domains are insufficient to explain qualia Law of excluded middle does not apply in general, only in certain systems. The real world is not one of them. There is also no evidence that physical domains are sufficient to explain qualia. To do that you would have to show that you can make an inanimate / non-living object feel something. Qualia has a very different sensation than simple observation. Do you claim, for example, that a Camera feels red? How? Why? This is a very valid question, for which we have no physical explanation.

hnfong 3y ago

Make the science complicated enough that it could be confused for another complicated thing that we don’t fully understand.

anon291 3y ago

If the new field is the one that creates feeling than it would indeed be a better explanation. To prove this, you would have to create a physical process that could excite the 'feeling field', use that process to create a region of non zero charge in the feeling field and then determine if humans placed in this area of elevated feeling charge felt different. If they did, then that's proof of some kind of feeling charge. As for the 'why would n+1 explain it'.. it's the same reason we invented the strong force... To explain things that cannot be explained. Qualia is inexplicable, thus it would seem to be a straightforwards application of the same principle

colanderman 3y ago
We can already induce various feelings and qualia through the use of chemicals (drugs) and EM fields (tDCS). There's no evidence or proof that these physical domains are insufficient to explain qualia. Likewise, demonstrating that feelings and qualia can be induced via quantum interactions doesn't reveal anything deeper about their nature than does the fact that we can induce happiness or hallucinations with drugs.
- anon291 3y ago
  > There's no evidence or proof that these physical domains are insufficient to explain qualia Law of excluded middle does not apply in general, only in certain systems. The real world is not one of them. There is also no evidence that physical domains are sufficient to explain qualia. To do that you would have to show that you can make an inanimate / non-living object feel something. Qualia has a very different sensation than simple observation. Do you claim, for example, that a Camera feels red? How? Why? This is a very valid question, for which we have no physical explanation.