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> and education quality was crap compared to my average elementary school in California. Even if this was once true - I doubt it is (on average) any more. The

by bpye 3y ago

> and education quality was crap compared to my average elementary school in California. Even if this was once true - I doubt it is (on average) any more. The recent PISA rankings put Canada above the US in every area - especially so for science and mathematics. The socio-economic status of a student also impacted the quality of education less in Canada than in the US. [0] [0] https://www.oecd.org/pisa/ https://www.oecd.org/pisa/

TMWNN 3y ago
Americans do well on PISA compared to their ethnic relatives. <https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-new-2018-pisa-school-test-scores-usa-usa/ https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-new-2018-pisa-school-test-sco...> Asian Americans do better than Asians; whites do better than Europeans; Latinos do better than Latin Americans; and blacks do better than Africans. Hispanics and especially blacks' scores drag the US average down. Both white and Asian Americans score higher than Canada (and white+Asian is essentially Canada's racial makeup), and higher than New Zealand, Australia, the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, France, Norway, and the UK; Estonia is below US Asians but above white Americans. Norway is by far the wealthiest Nordic state but its average is only two points higher than the US national average, despite not having a demographic that is 13% of the population and scores 85 points below the white American average. (Disclaimer: I have not reviewed this year's PISA results. However, I know of no reason why the above analysis would not still apply.)
alephnerd 3y ago
US and Canada have a different PISA selection methodology. Canada excludes First Nation/Native heavy provinces, territories, and schools in their PISA assessment [0], while the US equivalent tries to take a cross sample across all races and social classes [1]. It's useless doing a national level comparison of PISA scores when each countries uses a different methodology to select students. [0] - https://www.cmec.ca/251/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment_(PISA).html https://www.cmec.ca/251/Programme_for_International_Student_... [1] - https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/2018technotes.asp https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/2018technotes.asp

by bpye 3y ago

TMWNN 3y ago

Americans do well on PISA compared to their ethnic relatives. <https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-new-2018-pisa-school-test-scores-usa-usa/ https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-new-2018-pisa-school-test-sco...> Asian Americans do better than Asians; whites do better than Europeans; Latinos do better than Latin Americans; and blacks do better than Africans. Hispanics and especially blacks' scores drag the US average down. Both white and Asian Americans score higher than Canada (and white+Asian is essentially Canada's racial makeup), and higher than New Zealand, Australia, the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, France, Norway, and the UK; Estonia is below US Asians but above white Americans. Norway is by far the wealthiest Nordic state but its average is only two points higher than the US national average, despite not having a demographic that is 13% of the population and scores 85 points below the white American average. (Disclaimer: I have not reviewed this year's PISA results. However, I know of no reason why the above analysis would not still apply.)

alephnerd 3y ago

US and Canada have a different PISA selection methodology. Canada excludes First Nation/Native heavy provinces, territories, and schools in their PISA assessment [0], while the US equivalent tries to take a cross sample across all races and social classes [1]. It's useless doing a national level comparison of PISA scores when each countries uses a different methodology to select students. [0] - https://www.cmec.ca/251/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment_(PISA).html https://www.cmec.ca/251/Programme_for_International_Student_... [1] - https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/2018technotes.asp https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/2018technotes.asp