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> Firefox gets into the adblocker business and lets the big boys paya fortune to be exempted by default. This would completely alienate Firefox's core userbase

by jakkos 3y ago

> Firefox gets into the adblocker business and lets the big boys paya fortune to be exempted by default. This would completely alienate Firefox's core userbase. > i have ideas on how to implement unblockable ads using traditional means If a way to serve unblockable ads existed, it would already be implemented and widely used

sergiotapia 3y ago
>This would completely alienate Firefox's core userbase. How's that core userbase working out for them? Sub 2% very nearly. Time to shake things up and figure it out. What they've been doing don't work no more.
- rc_mob 3y ago
  Hi Satan.
  - sergiotapia 3y ago
    Mozilla will have the most beautiful, pure FOSS browser on the planet. But who is going to use it?
    - jakkos 3y ago
      Me and 2% of the internet, happily.
ants_everywhere 3y ago
> If a way to serve unblockable ads existed, it would already be implemented and widely used I don't think this is necessarily true. It's clear that any tech that literally forces users to look at something is coercive. Forcing your users to wear a Clockwork Orange style eye gadget is clearly not acceptable. Playing ads and asking your users not to switch to another channel is clearly acceptable. The game is largely about gaining or ceding ground between those extremes about what's socially acceptable rather than what's technologically possible. Many users are okay with some level of ads. It's easier to ratchet up the ads those users are willing to watch than it is to get increasingly authoritarian with the small number of users who insist on not seeing any ads. For example, YouTube didn't attempt to fight ad blockers for years. They're only really starting now because it's trying to hit revenue targets.
_8j50 3y ago
I am surprised by your comment and the reaction to mine. Why would firefox's users be alienated? They get an adblocker by default that will be supported and maintained by mozilla. If you want to block all ads that would be changing a setting, what google and pals pay for is the default setting that benefits them, they will still get blocked if users want them blocked. This mindset of making an emotional ideologic reaction isn't helping anyone! > If a way to serve unblockable ads existed, it would already be implemented and widely used It would require a change in how ads are served and bids are made in realtime. The main reason it isn't happening already is that most people are not blocking ads, especially on mobile where engagement has most value.I'd say ad blocking users are not more than firefox users even.
- jakkos 3y ago
  You're right, it was an emotional reaction comment. I don't like ads, I think ads are a negative on the world, and I hate that nearly every corner of the internet is funded by them. I use Firefox because it's open source software made by a non-profit that I believe is trying to do good in the world. So, when I saw your idea to put even more ads into Firefox, I knee-jerk'd out a negative comment. I just wish we all directly and willingly funded things that were good.
  - _8j50 3y ago
    > when I saw your idea to put even more ads into Firefox, I knee-jerk'd out a negative comment. That wasn't what I suggested though, it was the opposite. Now i have randos downvoting every comment i make lol. People in general these days need to be more open minded I think.

by jakkos 3y ago

sergiotapia 3y ago

>This would completely alienate Firefox's core userbase. How's that core userbase working out for them? Sub 2% very nearly. Time to shake things up and figure it out. What they've been doing don't work no more.

rc_mob 3y ago
Hi Satan.
- sergiotapia 3y ago
  Mozilla will have the most beautiful, pure FOSS browser on the planet. But who is going to use it?
  - jakkos 3y ago
    Me and 2% of the internet, happily.

ants_everywhere 3y ago

> If a way to serve unblockable ads existed, it would already be implemented and widely used I don't think this is necessarily true. It's clear that any tech that literally forces users to look at something is coercive. Forcing your users to wear a Clockwork Orange style eye gadget is clearly not acceptable. Playing ads and asking your users not to switch to another channel is clearly acceptable. The game is largely about gaining or ceding ground between those extremes about what's socially acceptable rather than what's technologically possible. Many users are okay with some level of ads. It's easier to ratchet up the ads those users are willing to watch than it is to get increasingly authoritarian with the small number of users who insist on not seeing any ads. For example, YouTube didn't attempt to fight ad blockers for years. They're only really starting now because it's trying to hit revenue targets.

_8j50 3y ago

I am surprised by your comment and the reaction to mine. Why would firefox's users be alienated? They get an adblocker by default that will be supported and maintained by mozilla. If you want to block all ads that would be changing a setting, what google and pals pay for is the default setting that benefits them, they will still get blocked if users want them blocked. This mindset of making an emotional ideologic reaction isn't helping anyone! > If a way to serve unblockable ads existed, it would already be implemented and widely used It would require a change in how ads are served and bids are made in realtime. The main reason it isn't happening already is that most people are not blocking ads, especially on mobile where engagement has most value.I'd say ad blocking users are not more than firefox users even.

jakkos 3y ago
You're right, it was an emotional reaction comment. I don't like ads, I think ads are a negative on the world, and I hate that nearly every corner of the internet is funded by them. I use Firefox because it's open source software made by a non-profit that I believe is trying to do good in the world. So, when I saw your idea to put even more ads into Firefox, I knee-jerk'd out a negative comment. I just wish we all directly and willingly funded things that were good.
- _8j50 3y ago
  > when I saw your idea to put even more ads into Firefox, I knee-jerk'd out a negative comment. That wasn't what I suggested though, it was the opposite. Now i have randos downvoting every comment i make lol. People in general these days need to be more open minded I think.