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Congrats Mozilla! You made improvements to a product you allow dwindle to 2-3% market share. Forest and trees… who cares that you made it faster if continually

Congrats Mozilla! You made improvements to a product you allow dwindle to 2-3% market share. Forest and trees… who cares that you made it faster if continually less and less people use it. The extreme majority do not care about tiny improvements to speed. If they were interested in growing market, they would be integrating ublockOrigin and other anti-ad software. They literally have nothing to lose anymore.

b112 3y ago
Don't worry! They'll continue to change the GUI for no reason each release, continue to remove features, customizability, and more as well. Then add on stupid things, so all their users, each release, have to fight to turn off dumbassery, and restore functionality. They've literally done everything they could to destroy market share.
- russelg 3y ago
  I feel one issue is that the people who are Firefox power users are also disabling telemetry, so the developers aren't getting any usage data from the people who care the most about Firefox. So the only usage data they receive is from the normal user, who want different things and use the browser differently.
  - b112 3y ago
    It's not about telemetry, most people just use the data to support whatever they want. For example, firefox users of all sorts customized things. People loved it. Themes, plug-ins, add-ons. Firefox devs consistently fail to realize that "configurability" is a category, not "this tiny configurable thing". So they've removed configurable after configurable option, each option only having .1% market share usage or what not, not considering that overall... they've now alienated 20% of their user base. Telemetry shows them a tiny percentage for each feature, but it is the collective feature set which matters. And that has a cumulative effect. 20% upset users, all saying "Don't use firefox!", doesn't help. Then they add useless, in your face, obtrusive and annoying features, and people scramble to diaable them. "Oh so sorry, disable that?!". Sometimes years go by, and all the instantly closed bug reports add up, and they finally relent, fix it. Of course, everyone who cared is now gone, and will never come back, and now campaigns against firefox. Just like the infamous tab detach issue, which took half a decade to resolve, by finally adding an about:config option to turn that off. And who cares for telemetry, when hundreds of users complain, and bugs are ignored, or just hostile closed? Mozilla is broken. Firefox is on the wrong path. It is sad.
gmiller123456 3y ago
2-3% of all internet users is an enormous number of people, and more than the overwhelming majority of apps will ever see.
- slig 3y ago
  But it's such a small number of users that some web apps and sites aren't bothering to test on FF. Also, it seems like even "power users" are not using and recommending it like they used to do. Their mobile presence is ruby. It's alarming and they must move fast.
- bdlowery 3y ago
  Apple used to have a 4% market share (and declining) of the PC industry before Jobs came back, and was seen as a joke and failure of a company because of it. But, it’s okay for Firefox to own 2-3% market share?
protastus 3y ago
Rudely stated yet true. I've used Firefox as my main browser for as long as it has existed (and Netscape before). It's very concerning to see it slip into irrelevance, putting more users every year under the control of big tech.

b112 3y ago

Don't worry! They'll continue to change the GUI for no reason each release, continue to remove features, customizability, and more as well. Then add on stupid things, so all their users, each release, have to fight to turn off dumbassery, and restore functionality. They've literally done everything they could to destroy market share.

russelg 3y ago
I feel one issue is that the people who are Firefox power users are also disabling telemetry, so the developers aren't getting any usage data from the people who care the most about Firefox. So the only usage data they receive is from the normal user, who want different things and use the browser differently.
- b112 3y ago
  It's not about telemetry, most people just use the data to support whatever they want. For example, firefox users of all sorts customized things. People loved it. Themes, plug-ins, add-ons. Firefox devs consistently fail to realize that "configurability" is a category, not "this tiny configurable thing". So they've removed configurable after configurable option, each option only having .1% market share usage or what not, not considering that overall... they've now alienated 20% of their user base. Telemetry shows them a tiny percentage for each feature, but it is the collective feature set which matters. And that has a cumulative effect. 20% upset users, all saying "Don't use firefox!", doesn't help. Then they add useless, in your face, obtrusive and annoying features, and people scramble to diaable them. "Oh so sorry, disable that?!". Sometimes years go by, and all the instantly closed bug reports add up, and they finally relent, fix it. Of course, everyone who cared is now gone, and will never come back, and now campaigns against firefox. Just like the infamous tab detach issue, which took half a decade to resolve, by finally adding an about:config option to turn that off. And who cares for telemetry, when hundreds of users complain, and bugs are ignored, or just hostile closed? Mozilla is broken. Firefox is on the wrong path. It is sad.

gmiller123456 3y ago

2-3% of all internet users is an enormous number of people, and more than the overwhelming majority of apps will ever see.

slig 3y ago
But it's such a small number of users that some web apps and sites aren't bothering to test on FF. Also, it seems like even "power users" are not using and recommending it like they used to do. Their mobile presence is ruby. It's alarming and they must move fast.
bdlowery 3y ago
Apple used to have a 4% market share (and declining) of the PC industry before Jobs came back, and was seen as a joke and failure of a company because of it. But, it’s okay for Firefox to own 2-3% market share?

protastus 3y ago

Rudely stated yet true. I've used Firefox as my main browser for as long as it has existed (and Netscape before). It's very concerning to see it slip into irrelevance, putting more users every year under the control of big tech.