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> The US helped to overthrow the Ukraine Really? Ukraine was on the track to go direction “europe”, When president suddenly did sudden 180 degree turn, back t

> The US helped to overthrow the Ukraine Really? Ukraine was on the track to go direction “europe”, When president suddenly did sudden 180 degree turn, back to russian empire/soviet union/mongol hoards. Young people saw that their west Europe future was switched to eternal post-soviet. Even if US helped, it probably was tea, printers for leaflets and hopefully intelligence when soviet omon will strike. Edit: i don’t like US actions in vietnam cambodia iraq cuba south america (list goes on..). Power corrupts. But that does not and should not impact evaluation of Russia actions and implications. Both can be bad. (For my country far lesser evil is US) For some reason lavrov always says, “but US also did that something”, as if that makes it ok..

xcv123 3y ago
Your timeline is messed up here. Poroshenko was the guy who signed the EU deal in 2014, immediately after the revolution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union%E2%80%93Ukraine_Association_Agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union%E2%80%93Ukraine... > Really? Yes, the 2014 Ukrainian Revolution. The CIA is involved in these things. That's their job. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r... > as if that makes it ok That's not my argument. I believe Russia was intentionally provoked into this war, and this outcome is what the US agencies intended.
- hkpack 3y ago
  > Poroshenko was the guy who signed the EU deal in 2014, immediately after the revolution. It was prepared, negotiated and ready to be signed before 2013 by previous president. The fact that he refused to do so in last minute was what started the peaceful protests by students. The beating of protesting students by militia caused the following events.
  - xcv123 3y ago
    Yes everything that followed was entirely without US agency support. How convenient.
    - hkpack 3y ago
      Contrary to what you are saying, it is documented that militia was controlled by russians, with curators from FSB. They were instigating violence for their benefit, but failed miserably and achieved the opposite of what was intended.
    - falserum 3y ago
      Please let me understand what you believe, what you mean by “helped overthrow” in case of ukraine. In your opinion: - were people happy with the president? Did people come voluntarily? - What did US do?

xcv123 3y ago

Your timeline is messed up here. Poroshenko was the guy who signed the EU deal in 2014, immediately after the revolution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union%E2%80%93Ukraine_Association_Agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union%E2%80%93Ukraine... > Really? Yes, the 2014 Ukrainian Revolution. The CIA is involved in these things. That's their job. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r... > as if that makes it ok That's not my argument. I believe Russia was intentionally provoked into this war, and this outcome is what the US agencies intended.

hkpack 3y ago
> Poroshenko was the guy who signed the EU deal in 2014, immediately after the revolution. It was prepared, negotiated and ready to be signed before 2013 by previous president. The fact that he refused to do so in last minute was what started the peaceful protests by students. The beating of protesting students by militia caused the following events.
- xcv123 3y ago
  Yes everything that followed was entirely without US agency support. How convenient.
  - hkpack 3y ago
    Contrary to what you are saying, it is documented that militia was controlled by russians, with curators from FSB. They were instigating violence for their benefit, but failed miserably and achieved the opposite of what was intended.
  - falserum 3y ago
    Please let me understand what you believe, what you mean by “helped overthrow” in case of ukraine. In your opinion: - were people happy with the president? Did people come voluntarily? - What did US do?