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I would never buy a Tesla. Or for that matter, I've made a point to stay away from Musk's anything. --------------------- Ive seen engineer reports from Tesla

by pierat 3y ago

I would never buy a Tesla. Or for that matter, I've made a point to stay away from Musk's anything. --------------------- Ive seen engineer reports from Tesla. https://www.businessinsider.com/ex-tesla-employees-reveal-the-worst-parts-of-working-there-2019-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/ex-tesla-employees-reveal-th... And really, forced reboots while driving on the highway??? And I thought MS was bad. https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/a-system-reboot-occurred-while-driving.267362/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/a-system-reboot-occu... --------------------- I've seen the injury reports from SpaceX. https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/spacex-musk-safety/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/spacex-m... --------------------- Starlink is the least-troubled, but still launched without full permission. And is causing havoc with astronomers. https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-satellites-megaconstellation-surprise-astronomers.html https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-satellites-megaconstel... --------------------- Xwitter needs no comment. --------------------- I have absolutely no trust in anything Musk touches.

LewisVerstappen 3y ago
> I have absolutely no trust in anything Musk touches. Yes, HN & Redditors have made their views extremely clear. Just don't be surprised when the rest of the world disagrees.
- kelnos 3y ago
  I don't think it's a matter of disagreement. Just a combination of a) most people don't follow Musk's shenanigans that closely, and/or b) most people are not that principled about what they buy, and just want a car they think is good.
  - DennisP 3y ago
    Or maybe people have different principles than you.
    - pierat 3y ago
      My decisions are based on: 1. Engineering from inside the orgs 2. Treatment of workers in said orgs 3. Treatment of customers 4. Capriciousness of their CEO. It's not just 1 thing. It's a whole slee of problems that coalesce into something I look at as a massive liability.
      - DennisP 3y ago
        So fine, those are your principles. Doesn't change my point at all.
- chron7300j 3y ago
  > Just don't be surprised when the rest of the world disagrees You should buy more TSLA stock. If not, why not? You don’t trust Elon? Here’s a tip: Tesla is massively underperforming and missing delivery estimates for Q4 2023. It’s mostly due to the economy, but it’s also true the competition is actually here.
danans 3y ago
> I have absolutely no trust in anything Musk touches. The other side of the great-man fallacy is the fallacy of attributing all of the problems with their works to them. If you look at 1) the near religious following of Tesla enthusiasts for the company's brand, 2) the inherent superiority of electric vehicles over ICE vehicles for the vast majority of everyday use cases, and 3) until very recently no real alternatives, it's not surprising that Tesla was able/willing to cut corners on aspects of quality. I also would never buy a vehicle from them either. I specifically waited until a good EV alternative to them was available in my price range. The faux-dystopian-bro turn they've taken with the Cybertruck is a cynical play on people's current insecurities, and Musk's recent revealing of his inner thought processes lines up pretty well with my long held impressions of him. I also think it's pretty unwise to have them be the sole domestic provider of manned space-launch. Despite all that, given their current position most of his companies are acting rationally in their choices. It's up to his competitors or government to put pressure to change the situation. Arguably the government has stepped up in the EV space by providing a lot of incentives. The situation at Twitter on the other hand does seem to be the most direct reflection of Musk's personality and state of mind. There's very little rational about what he's doing with it (much like his original purchase of it for an inflated price).
inemesitaffia 3y ago
Everything here is false. Everything
Skunkleton 3y ago
I don't have a Tesla, largely because I don't trust them due to all of the hype. Hype which is largely driven directly by Musk. That said, they are good cars for a lot of people and the sales numbers reflect that. Are you saying that because you don't think Musk is trustworthy, others shouldn't be buying these cars?
user568439 3y ago
I agree but at least Tesla is making us all a favor by pushing innovation and lower prices to the rest of carmakers. If it was for the old players we would still be with hybrids like Prius or electrics with short range and highly decaying battery like the Nissan Leaf.
superduty 3y ago
Did you stomp your feet as you typed out your tantrum? Read some Blind posts about <insert random tech company name here>. Have you spent any time in a Lucid or Lightning? Both have had their share of issues with the infotainment and info centers restarting or freezing. And the Hyundais. And the Escalade. There’s a reason vehicle controls systems are not affected by the info display systems. Reuters..lol.

by pierat 3y ago

LewisVerstappen 3y ago

> I have absolutely no trust in anything Musk touches. Yes, HN & Redditors have made their views extremely clear. Just don't be surprised when the rest of the world disagrees.

kelnos 3y ago
I don't think it's a matter of disagreement. Just a combination of a) most people don't follow Musk's shenanigans that closely, and/or b) most people are not that principled about what they buy, and just want a car they think is good.
- DennisP 3y ago
  Or maybe people have different principles than you.
  - pierat 3y ago
    My decisions are based on: 1. Engineering from inside the orgs 2. Treatment of workers in said orgs 3. Treatment of customers 4. Capriciousness of their CEO. It's not just 1 thing. It's a whole slee of problems that coalesce into something I look at as a massive liability.
    - DennisP 3y ago
      So fine, those are your principles. Doesn't change my point at all.
chron7300j 3y ago
> Just don't be surprised when the rest of the world disagrees You should buy more TSLA stock. If not, why not? You don’t trust Elon? Here’s a tip: Tesla is massively underperforming and missing delivery estimates for Q4 2023. It’s mostly due to the economy, but it’s also true the competition is actually here.

danans 3y ago

> I have absolutely no trust in anything Musk touches. The other side of the great-man fallacy is the fallacy of attributing all of the problems with their works to them. If you look at 1) the near religious following of Tesla enthusiasts for the company's brand, 2) the inherent superiority of electric vehicles over ICE vehicles for the vast majority of everyday use cases, and 3) until very recently no real alternatives, it's not surprising that Tesla was able/willing to cut corners on aspects of quality. I also would never buy a vehicle from them either. I specifically waited until a good EV alternative to them was available in my price range. The faux-dystopian-bro turn they've taken with the Cybertruck is a cynical play on people's current insecurities, and Musk's recent revealing of his inner thought processes lines up pretty well with my long held impressions of him. I also think it's pretty unwise to have them be the sole domestic provider of manned space-launch. Despite all that, given their current position most of his companies are acting rationally in their choices. It's up to his competitors or government to put pressure to change the situation. Arguably the government has stepped up in the EV space by providing a lot of incentives. The situation at Twitter on the other hand does seem to be the most direct reflection of Musk's personality and state of mind. There's very little rational about what he's doing with it (much like his original purchase of it for an inflated price).

inemesitaffia 3y ago

Everything here is false. Everything

Skunkleton 3y ago

I don't have a Tesla, largely because I don't trust them due to all of the hype. Hype which is largely driven directly by Musk. That said, they are good cars for a lot of people and the sales numbers reflect that. Are you saying that because you don't think Musk is trustworthy, others shouldn't be buying these cars?

user568439 3y ago

I agree but at least Tesla is making us all a favor by pushing innovation and lower prices to the rest of carmakers. If it was for the old players we would still be with hybrids like Prius or electrics with short range and highly decaying battery like the Nissan Leaf.

superduty 3y ago

Did you stomp your feet as you typed out your tantrum? Read some Blind posts about <insert random tech company name here>. Have you spent any time in a Lucid or Lightning? Both have had their share of issues with the infotainment and info centers restarting or freezing. And the Hyundais. And the Escalade. There’s a reason vehicle controls systems are not affected by the info display systems. Reuters..lol.