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> People don't like being tracked without consent, but people haaate all the "This site uses cookies" popups. I thought that was the intent… surfacing ubiquito

> People don't like being tracked without consent, but people haaate all the "This site uses cookies" popups. I thought that was the intent… surfacing ubiquitous tracking to direct consumer frustration at the practice itself.

crazygringo 3y ago
I don't think so, because that consumer frustration has resulted in nothing. Nada. We click the popups and get annoyed at the EU, not at the website.
- catlifeonmars 3y ago
  Eh true. I wonder how that is different than, say, the tracking notifications that Apple added to iOS. Consumer choice maybe? I guess they can also enforce a good UX by controlling what is listed/installable on the play store, so apps can’t maliciously comply.
  - Yujf 3y ago
    Regulators are being slow, but with GDPR you can also not maliciously comply. You can get fined for that and slowly regulators are starting to so that
- F-W-M 3y ago
  I always get annoyed at the website.
  - developer93 3y ago
    To the point where I'll click away if they don't give me a way to opt out, or if I feel like they're taking the mickey too much. All those cookery websites that are so snooty about cookies as if there weren't 10 more similar websites where they came from...
- lemming 3y ago
  I really don't, I definitely get annoyed at the website, and I get way more annoyed at websites which make it hard to say no to the cookies easily.
- dotandgtfo 3y ago
  Nada? It's made huge changes in how businesses use ad tech. And yes, I work as a martech consultant. Pre-2018 nobody cared about sharing data with third parties. Today nobody wants to be this company. https://www.nrk.no/kultur/nettapotek-delte-med-facebook-at-du-sa-pa-klamydiatester-1.16616494 https://www.nrk.no/kultur/nettapotek-delte-med-facebook-at-d... Ymmv, but nada is categorically wrong.
soulofmischief 3y ago
This is the same argument used in America for why taxes and expected gratuity aren't included in the item price, and it has done nothing to fix the problem.
- catlifeonmars 3y ago
  I’m not 100% sure I follow. Are you saying this is done by retailers to dissociate themselves from sales tax and make it obvious to consumers which part of the total price is the governments fault, or something else?
  - soulofmischief 3y ago
    Loosely, yes. The historical reason is a lack of state sales tax for many states in the 20th century, however one of the main justifications for continuing this process is to highlight what portion of the price is sales tax. However, it has become incredibly evident that large chains abuse this for psychological reasons. In the EU and Japan for example, prices include tax, allowing for a more honest depiction of total cost to the consumer.

crazygringo 3y ago

I don't think so, because that consumer frustration has resulted in nothing. Nada. We click the popups and get annoyed at the EU, not at the website.

catlifeonmars 3y ago
Eh true. I wonder how that is different than, say, the tracking notifications that Apple added to iOS. Consumer choice maybe? I guess they can also enforce a good UX by controlling what is listed/installable on the play store, so apps can’t maliciously comply.
- Yujf 3y ago
  Regulators are being slow, but with GDPR you can also not maliciously comply. You can get fined for that and slowly regulators are starting to so that
F-W-M 3y ago
I always get annoyed at the website.
- developer93 3y ago
  To the point where I'll click away if they don't give me a way to opt out, or if I feel like they're taking the mickey too much. All those cookery websites that are so snooty about cookies as if there weren't 10 more similar websites where they came from...
lemming 3y ago
I really don't, I definitely get annoyed at the website, and I get way more annoyed at websites which make it hard to say no to the cookies easily.
dotandgtfo 3y ago
Nada? It's made huge changes in how businesses use ad tech. And yes, I work as a martech consultant. Pre-2018 nobody cared about sharing data with third parties. Today nobody wants to be this company. https://www.nrk.no/kultur/nettapotek-delte-med-facebook-at-du-sa-pa-klamydiatester-1.16616494 https://www.nrk.no/kultur/nettapotek-delte-med-facebook-at-d... Ymmv, but nada is categorically wrong.

soulofmischief 3y ago

This is the same argument used in America for why taxes and expected gratuity aren't included in the item price, and it has done nothing to fix the problem.

catlifeonmars 3y ago
I’m not 100% sure I follow. Are you saying this is done by retailers to dissociate themselves from sales tax and make it obvious to consumers which part of the total price is the governments fault, or something else?
- soulofmischief 3y ago
  Loosely, yes. The historical reason is a lack of state sales tax for many states in the 20th century, however one of the main justifications for continuing this process is to highlight what portion of the price is sales tax. However, it has become incredibly evident that large chains abuse this for psychological reasons. In the EU and Japan for example, prices include tax, allowing for a more honest depiction of total cost to the consumer.