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The EU doesn't aspire to economic or commercial success. It's an ideologically motivated socialist state with no real ideas for how to fund a high quality of li

The EU doesn't aspire to economic or commercial success. It's an ideologically motivated socialist state with no real ideas for how to fund a high quality of life for the majority, but that's OK because the stated objective is equal quality of life, not high quality of life. Except for the few people on the top of the hierarchy, they warrant maximum quality of life as is traditional in such power structures.

robswc 3y ago
This is the vibe I got. For better or worse, it seems people in Europe enjoy/pursue equality more than individual success. I know many people that move to the US to "escape" that system though and they've been quite successful.
kranke155 3y ago
The EU isn’t a state at all. Getting tired of usually Americans talking about the EU as some kind of superstate. It’s nothing of the sort.
- JonChesterfield 3y ago
  This is a European using terminology likely to resonate with the American readership. It's a government that spans and partially controls multiple countries. The analogy to the US government that spans and partially controls multiple states should be readily apparent.
  - kranke155 3y ago
    You're using nonsense language to make an ideological point. You're blurring things out instead of clarifying them. There is not such thing as an EU "state", period.
bugglebeetle 3y ago
The EU is not in anyway socialist. It’s a neoliberal Capitalist federation, explicitly so in all its founding documents and philosophy.
Tainnor 3y ago
Apart from the fact that the EU is not a "state", the claim that it is in any way or shape "socialist" flies in the face of basically all available evidence (including the leadership of most EU countries, the composition of the EU parliament, the laws that are actually passed, ...), so it's hard to read your comment as anything but flamebait.
- JonChesterfield 3y ago
  If I was going for flamebait I'd call it communist and expect an uphill battle to persuade people that's the right adjective. I'm taken completely off guard that calling the EU socialist would be in any way contentious. What's all the stuff about consumer protection, free healthcare and equality for all characterised as if not socialism? How can the hostility to corporations (e.g. this opening post) be characterised as capitalist? I suppose I'm going off behaviour as opposed to what they say about themselves. Maybe that's where the terminology has gone awry.
  - Tainnor 3y ago
    > I'm taken completely off guard that calling the EU socialist would be in any way contentious. Well, then you should look up words you're using. Nobody considers the EU to be socialist. The word "socialism" is poorly defined, but as a minimum it does away with private ownership of the means of production. No such thing is happening in the EU - private corporations are well and alive. Every first world country (and many others too) bar the USA has universal healthcare (it's not "free", we have to pay for it), and even the US has consumer protection (sometimes even more so than the EU) and laws that companies must obey. And of course, no place on earth has "equality for all", certainly not the EU, where wealth inequality is quite high.

robswc 3y ago

This is the vibe I got. For better or worse, it seems people in Europe enjoy/pursue equality more than individual success. I know many people that move to the US to "escape" that system though and they've been quite successful.

kranke155 3y ago

The EU isn’t a state at all. Getting tired of usually Americans talking about the EU as some kind of superstate. It’s nothing of the sort.

JonChesterfield 3y ago
This is a European using terminology likely to resonate with the American readership. It's a government that spans and partially controls multiple countries. The analogy to the US government that spans and partially controls multiple states should be readily apparent.
- kranke155 3y ago
  You're using nonsense language to make an ideological point. You're blurring things out instead of clarifying them. There is not such thing as an EU "state", period.

bugglebeetle 3y ago

The EU is not in anyway socialist. It’s a neoliberal Capitalist federation, explicitly so in all its founding documents and philosophy.

Tainnor 3y ago

Apart from the fact that the EU is not a "state", the claim that it is in any way or shape "socialist" flies in the face of basically all available evidence (including the leadership of most EU countries, the composition of the EU parliament, the laws that are actually passed, ...), so it's hard to read your comment as anything but flamebait.

JonChesterfield 3y ago
If I was going for flamebait I'd call it communist and expect an uphill battle to persuade people that's the right adjective. I'm taken completely off guard that calling the EU socialist would be in any way contentious. What's all the stuff about consumer protection, free healthcare and equality for all characterised as if not socialism? How can the hostility to corporations (e.g. this opening post) be characterised as capitalist? I suppose I'm going off behaviour as opposed to what they say about themselves. Maybe that's where the terminology has gone awry.
- Tainnor 3y ago
  > I'm taken completely off guard that calling the EU socialist would be in any way contentious. Well, then you should look up words you're using. Nobody considers the EU to be socialist. The word "socialism" is poorly defined, but as a minimum it does away with private ownership of the means of production. No such thing is happening in the EU - private corporations are well and alive. Every first world country (and many others too) bar the USA has universal healthcare (it's not "free", we have to pay for it), and even the US has consumer protection (sometimes even more so than the EU) and laws that companies must obey. And of course, no place on earth has "equality for all", certainly not the EU, where wealth inequality is quite high.