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Paying does not equal buying. If I lease a car, you can still steal it. If I rent a car, you can steal it. If I subscribe to a daily newspaper, you can steal i

by vcg3rd 3y ago

Paying does not equal buying. If I lease a car, you can still steal it. If I rent a car, you can steal it. If I subscribe to a daily newspaper, you can steal it off my driveway in which case you steal from me and not the publisher because I never owned the content. If you sell my newspaper then you've stolen from the publisher even though I paid the publisher for that printed copy. It's really not that hard. Original pirates could steal from dozens of merchants, share holders, and sailors in various ways and degrees, monies paid to monies earned, to monies owed, to monies potentially gained, by seizing the cargo of one vessel.

CSSer 3y ago
Let’s use your example. How would you feel if, due to a disagreement with the publisher over the quality of ink, the publisher was “forced” to break into your house while you eat breakfast and rip the newspaper out of your hands? This is what happens today. They’ve colluded to redefine the verb “buy” due to “licensing”, and it’s sick.
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  it would suck and it would make headlines. But that's not what happens today, so it's a nil argument. the GP's argument comparing it to rentals/leases makes sense since you aren't truly owning a purchase (and if you are that deadset on stealing a car they probably will literally break into your house). you're buying a license and licenses can be revoked. Now, if that should be allowed without an explicit mention on the purchase page is certainly something to argue in court.
  - CSSer 3y ago
    It’s not just that. Physical copies are increasingly no longer available. Now I can only buy a license for the same price I used to pay for a physical copy. Moreover, this is for a good that has no substitute.
Matumio 3y ago
Yes. And copying does not equal stealing. While we're rambling about broken metaphors, pirates have to physically get you and threaten violence. Imagine if they just copied your car or newspaper instead, without breaking anything.

by vcg3rd 3y ago

CSSer 3y ago

Let’s use your example. How would you feel if, due to a disagreement with the publisher over the quality of ink, the publisher was “forced” to break into your house while you eat breakfast and rip the newspaper out of your hands? This is what happens today. They’ve colluded to redefine the verb “buy” due to “licensing”, and it’s sick.

johnnyanmac 3y ago
it would suck and it would make headlines. But that's not what happens today, so it's a nil argument. the GP's argument comparing it to rentals/leases makes sense since you aren't truly owning a purchase (and if you are that deadset on stealing a car they probably will literally break into your house). you're buying a license and licenses can be revoked. Now, if that should be allowed without an explicit mention on the purchase page is certainly something to argue in court.
- CSSer 3y ago
  It’s not just that. Physical copies are increasingly no longer available. Now I can only buy a license for the same price I used to pay for a physical copy. Moreover, this is for a good that has no substitute.

Matumio 3y ago

Yes. And copying does not equal stealing. While we're rambling about broken metaphors, pirates have to physically get you and threaten violence. Imagine if they just copied your car or newspaper instead, without breaking anything.