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The EU has a billboard campaign going recently with pro-EU messages and utopian imagery which is also be cognitive behavioural manipulation of people (manipulat

The EU has a billboard campaign going recently with pro-EU messages and utopian imagery which is also be cognitive behavioural manipulation of people (manipulating their thoughts and behaviour (voting) to be more pro-EU).

pyuser583 3y ago
Could you share some links about this?
- bondarchuk 3y ago
  See my comment to FirmwareBurner.
FirmwareBurner 3y ago
Do you have any sources on that? I wouldn't be surprised though, with populism and Euro-skepticism at all time highs.
- bondarchuk 3y ago
  It's this one, "you are europe": https://you-are-eu.europa.eu/index_en https://you-are-eu.europa.eu/index_en The images and slogans in the 4 pictures are what I have also seen on billboards.
  - admissionsguy 3y ago
    I saw one in Sweden recently and thought it was weird. Didn’t realise it was part of such a campaign. Feels totalitarian.
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      >Feels totalitarian. Meh, it's just propaganda and not all propaganda is minted by totalitarian regimes. The US/west also minted their own during the cold war.
      - dragonwriter 3y ago
        > The US/west also minted their own during the cold war. And before and after, its not like the Cold War was in any way unique in seeing the US make propaganda.
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dgellow 3y ago
The EU doing a basic advertising campaign is somehow equivalent to mega corporation manipulating people’s behavior (to their own benefits) by controlling their content feed? Your comparison dilutes terms so much that the whole issue of algorithmic content feeds is lost.
- davidmurdoch 3y ago
  Most advertising is manipulation.
  - brookst 3y ago
    *all If advertising did not change behavior, it wouldn’t be a thing.
- bondarchuk 3y ago
  Content feed: text and images you see when you look at your computer/phone Outdoor billboards: text and images you see when you go outside and look around I don't see what is dilutive about this comparison, seems about equal to me (except outdoor advertising is worse because you can't avoid it by not visiting certain websites). My broader point, I guess, is that the intended interpretation of the word "manipulation" seems to be restricted to "manipulation we disagree with".
  - developer93 3y ago
    While billboards are annoying, a) everyone sees the same, they aren't tailored, b) they aren't as ubiquitous, most people don't spend as much time looking at billboards as they do at various feeds and c) they are only show 1 advert, I would say an equivalent to a feed would be every billboard in a part of a city showing an advert that sells the same thing in a slightly different way.

pyuser583 3y ago

Could you share some links about this?

bondarchuk 3y ago
See my comment to FirmwareBurner.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

Do you have any sources on that? I wouldn't be surprised though, with populism and Euro-skepticism at all time highs.

bondarchuk 3y ago
It's this one, "you are europe": https://you-are-eu.europa.eu/index_en https://you-are-eu.europa.eu/index_en The images and slogans in the 4 pictures are what I have also seen on billboards.
- admissionsguy 3y ago
  I saw one in Sweden recently and thought it was weird. Didn’t realise it was part of such a campaign. Feels totalitarian.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    >Feels totalitarian. Meh, it's just propaganda and not all propaganda is minted by totalitarian regimes. The US/west also minted their own during the cold war.
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      > The US/west also minted their own during the cold war. And before and after, its not like the Cold War was in any way unique in seeing the US make propaganda.

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dgellow 3y ago

The EU doing a basic advertising campaign is somehow equivalent to mega corporation manipulating people’s behavior (to their own benefits) by controlling their content feed? Your comparison dilutes terms so much that the whole issue of algorithmic content feeds is lost.

davidmurdoch 3y ago
Most advertising is manipulation.
- brookst 3y ago
  *all If advertising did not change behavior, it wouldn’t be a thing.
bondarchuk 3y ago
Content feed: text and images you see when you look at your computer/phone Outdoor billboards: text and images you see when you go outside and look around I don't see what is dilutive about this comparison, seems about equal to me (except outdoor advertising is worse because you can't avoid it by not visiting certain websites). My broader point, I guess, is that the intended interpretation of the word "manipulation" seems to be restricted to "manipulation we disagree with".
- developer93 3y ago
  While billboards are annoying, a) everyone sees the same, they aren't tailored, b) they aren't as ubiquitous, most people don't spend as much time looking at billboards as they do at various feeds and c) they are only show 1 advert, I would say an equivalent to a feed would be every billboard in a part of a city showing an advert that sells the same thing in a slightly different way.