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Race is a social construct. It's used the way you describe in some societies, but not in others, and even if it is, the races have different definitions.
by tpm 3y ago
Race is a social construct. It's used the way you describe in some societies, but not in others, and even if it is, the races have different definitions.
- malux85 3y agoIt’s not entirely a social construct, for example there are very clear genetic factors - you could use a clustering algorithm on genetic data to reveal there are very clear groups, regardless of which social culture is doing this clustering, the clusters would still emerge, because math. You’re right that the borders are not well defined though - it is a probably distribution - just like the weights in a neural network are also a probability distribution
- tpm 3y agoThere are no clear genetic factors at all. They don't exist, because there are no clear biological delineations between 'races'. It's a purely social construct. You maybe could sort of define a group of people coming from the same locality and having the same history , and they would have maybe some degree of biological similarity as well, but there would be a high number of those groups and even then it would be quite useless and with number of exceptions.
- junofan 3y agoCome on, that’s just today’s Lysenkoism. We can talk like adults here.
- tpm 3y agoProve me wrong. Give me a way to detect race from DNA sample with 100% accuracy.
- malux85 3y agoSet the bar at impossible so you cant be proved wrong. No system anywhere is 100% accurate, and to demand that as a standard only shows your numerical illiteracy.
- tpm 3y agoWhy is it impossible? It's certainly possible to tell apart cat and dog DNA. If the race theory proponents argument hold water, the same must be possible for different races.
- malux85 3y ago> Prove me wrong. Give me a way to detect race from DNA sample with 100% accuracy. You implied that in order for you to be proved wrong, the test must have 100% accuracy. I was saying that 100% accuracy is an impossible standard. No tests in the world are 100% accurate, let alone in biology, the fact that you asked for this shows you are numerically illiterate Here is DNA clustering that shows race: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-t9Va5ai9-A4/Xd0cmvRBL4I/AAAAAAAAuX8/U5HlQXs7uo87Zmdt897OKhVu0RoD06oYwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2019-11-26%2Bat%2B7.37.07%2BAM.png https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-t9Va5ai9-A4/Xd0cmvRBL4I/AAAAAAAAu... Here is a link to the Kahn Academy course on statistics: https://www.khanacademy.org/math/statistics-probability https://www.khanacademy.org/math/statistics-probability If you take this course, you will understand probability better, and then you wont commit the logical fallacy of "false dichotemy" where you try to reduce complexity to binary classes which is a view that is too simplistic to accuratly represent the distributions we are talking about
- henriquez 3y agoEthnicity is not a social construct, and sometimes people use the word race as a synonym for ethnicity. There are clear genetic factors for ethnicity.
- tpm 3y agoSo you are saying you are able to clearly detect ethnicity of a DNA sample? Do you have anything to substantiate that?
- logicchains 3y agoThat's literally what 23&me do, they send you a breakdown of what % of various ethnicities you are based on your DNA. E.g. 95% Northern European, 5% Ashkenazi Jew.
- DanBC 3y agoIt's what they claim to do. The science is bunk. It's genetic astrology.
- tpm 3y agoYes and then they change it on each update. Do have a read of what their customers think about it, for example here: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0cPeurGB4WXrTdqnE7QwF2tGnEhCNcK9QCKH6vpc5mxDc2pofCHbzwquc95Hrw3XBl&id=13372817801 https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0cPeurGB4WX...
- stale2002 3y agoBy definition, DNA is DNA. Yes, you can see what someone's DNA is, if you look at their DNA.
- henriquez 3y agoBut every innate characteristic encoded into our DNA is a social construct, and if you disagree you’re a nazi! Checkmate?
- AllegedAlec 3y agoAh yeah. I forgot that with a good frequency two black people give birth to a white baby or vice versa.
- tpm 3y agoThat's skin color, not race.