>I don't think that's Apple apologism, that's just "duh, obviously Apple is going to try to shut them down, and probably succeed" As one of the top posts that

>I don't think that's Apple apologism, that's just "duh, obviously Apple is going to try to shut them down, and probably succeed" As one of the top posts that presumably the GP post is talking about, precisely. Nowhere was I apologizing for Apple, nor did I "crawl out". When this product was first announced I observed that Apple was going to shut it down, and that they had obvious avenues (both technically given the way messages are attested to, and legally -- this product is the textbook definition of computer misuse! And they're charging for it making it a slam dunk). Loads of people "crawled out" to gloat that this is it, Apple has no avenue to do anything about it. And then Apple did something. Apple did the easiest, lightest option, but they could go full scorched Earth if they wanted to. I don't want them to, and am not celebrating that, but these are basic obvious facts. To your other point, exactly. The hacker spirit is getting your friends and family on Signal. It isn't cementing iMessages as the foundation.