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> Verizon can't call the Clerk's office and ask, "did the grand jury really issue a subpoena?" Yes, they actually can. There should be contact information ass

> Verizon can't call the Clerk's office and ask, "did the grand jury really issue a subpoena?" Yes, they actually can. There should be contact information associated with a subpoena that verizon can both verify are legitimate and then directly contact to validate the subpoena. This comes up in the medical field and, due to much higher penalties if they respond to a fake, medical staff get trained to do just this [1]. HIPAA doesn't care if you are tricked into revealing HIPAA information. [1] https://www.hipaaexams.com/blog/medical-record-subpoena https://www.hipaaexams.com/blog/medical-record-subpoena

yladiz 3y ago
If the subpoena is fake, and contains fake contact info (like a phone number), how does the receiver verify it is actually a real number from the courts? I guess the phone numbers are public record?
- chislobog 3y ago
  Oddly enough this is more complex in places with multiple jurisdictional overlap. Imagine a city with police force of 6,000 combined with country, federal, state, and university LE. You might have a total of 20 neighboring or overlapping agencies ranging from 6 to 6,000 employees. Personal cellphone numbers are used in LE sometimes, whatever one might think of that practice or implications for discovery and preservation.
- dehugger 3y ago
  Independently validate contact information! don't use what's on the letter/form/email. This is basic security for everything, from Grandma's savings account on up. The State/Fed have public official websites with this information.
- corobo 3y ago
  Much like when you receive mail from your bank, you call them via a known number. Never trust user input, even irl.
- hiatus 3y ago
  The phone company can't validate a phone number?
  - pixl97 3y ago
    Who pays for the phone number may not have anything to do with who's using the phone number. It's not like the old days where everything has a copper wire going to one particular place. I mean if the registered owner says "TXSTRGCT" is that the "Texas State Regional Court" or something a spammer setup over some VOIP service?
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yladiz 3y ago

If the subpoena is fake, and contains fake contact info (like a phone number), how does the receiver verify it is actually a real number from the courts? I guess the phone numbers are public record?

chislobog 3y ago
Oddly enough this is more complex in places with multiple jurisdictional overlap. Imagine a city with police force of 6,000 combined with country, federal, state, and university LE. You might have a total of 20 neighboring or overlapping agencies ranging from 6 to 6,000 employees. Personal cellphone numbers are used in LE sometimes, whatever one might think of that practice or implications for discovery and preservation.
dehugger 3y ago
Independently validate contact information! don't use what's on the letter/form/email. This is basic security for everything, from Grandma's savings account on up. The State/Fed have public official websites with this information.
corobo 3y ago
Much like when you receive mail from your bank, you call them via a known number. Never trust user input, even irl.
hiatus 3y ago
The phone company can't validate a phone number?
- pixl97 3y ago
  Who pays for the phone number may not have anything to do with who's using the phone number. It's not like the old days where everything has a copper wire going to one particular place. I mean if the registered owner says "TXSTRGCT" is that the "Texas State Regional Court" or something a spammer setup over some VOIP service?
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