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The problem you are describing is more like a social problem, and applies to many other aspects as well. Usually people know the consequences of their actions.

by nicce 3y ago

The problem you are describing is more like a social problem, and applies to many other aspects as well. Usually people know the consequences of their actions. If they don't use Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp or any other "currently" popular social platform, there is always risk that you isolate yourself from the part of group which prefers the former. Is that one person important enough that other group members ditch the other groups? Here comes the reason why Meta, Discord or any other social platform with enough user base is highly valuable. Social pressure keeps users on their platforms. Apple is doing the same with iMessage in hopes of pushing device sales. But it is still messaging service. It does not forbid you using regular cellural standards. The question is that are the set defaults same as known decision? Not for everyone, but I don't think that conversation splitting is good enough argument here to reason why making business in this case would be good decision.

rezonant 3y ago
> The problem you are describing is more like a social problem, and applies to many other aspects as well. Yes! But it's a social problem created by an intentional product choice that makes their own users have a worse experience in service of retaining their walled garden at the expense of your customers relationships on a service that they are embracing and extending for their own ends... And they could fix it too. There is zero reason to leave that original iMessage chat around from a technical perspective. They can even put a big scary banner at the end of the iMessage history saying Hey this is not encrypted anymore! watch out! > Usually people know the consequences of their actions. If they don't use Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp or any other "currently" popular social platform, there is always risk that you isolate yourself from the part of group which prefers the former. Yes, choosing not to use the three Meta apps you listed is your own damn fault. You're isolated because of your own poor choices. Just give up and feed the beast instead of, you know, trusting the phone/OS manufacturer you purchased your premium phone from and the carrier that you pay for your phone service. > But it is still messaging service. It does not forbid you using regular cellural standards. This is the part that's not actually true, because you cannot make an MMS group with only iMessage participants. You cannot opt out of iMessage on 1x1 conversations either. Using or not using iMessage isn't actually a choice, it's an automatic "upgrade" I'm not even sure it's possible to disable iMessage entirely. EDIT: This exists actually EDIT 2: "Messages app automatically chooses the type of group message to send based on settings, network connection, and carrier plan." https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202724 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202724

by nicce 3y ago

rezonant 3y ago

> The problem you are describing is more like a social problem, and applies to many other aspects as well. Yes! But it's a social problem created by an intentional product choice that makes their own users have a worse experience in service of retaining their walled garden at the expense of your customers relationships on a service that they are embracing and extending for their own ends... And they could fix it too. There is zero reason to leave that original iMessage chat around from a technical perspective. They can even put a big scary banner at the end of the iMessage history saying Hey this is not encrypted anymore! watch out! > Usually people know the consequences of their actions. If they don't use Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp or any other "currently" popular social platform, there is always risk that you isolate yourself from the part of group which prefers the former. Yes, choosing not to use the three Meta apps you listed is your own damn fault. You're isolated because of your own poor choices. Just give up and feed the beast instead of, you know, trusting the phone/OS manufacturer you purchased your premium phone from and the carrier that you pay for your phone service. > But it is still messaging service. It does not forbid you using regular cellural standards. This is the part that's not actually true, because you cannot make an MMS group with only iMessage participants. You cannot opt out of iMessage on 1x1 conversations either. Using or not using iMessage isn't actually a choice, it's an automatic "upgrade" I'm not even sure it's possible to disable iMessage entirely. EDIT: This exists actually EDIT 2: "Messages app automatically chooses the type of group message to send based on settings, network connection, and carrier plan." https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202724 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202724