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As I said it before, you should know by now that the "free" in Free Palestine does not, and has never, meant "freedom". That is a Western expectation imposed on
by rendall 3y ago
As I said it before, you should know by now that the "free" in Free Palestine does not, and has never, meant "freedom". That is a Western expectation imposed on the phrase. Determining what it actually means, I will leave as an exercise for the reader. As research materials, I refer you to the writings, life and times of Mohammed Amin al-Husseini who was the architect and sire of the Free Palestine movement. Note particularly the memorandum of understanding he signed on behalf of Palestians with the Nazis. I also refer you to the Hamas charter (both versions 1.0 and 2.0) (Hamas enjoys an 85% approval rating, by the way).
We know "free" does not mean "freedom" in the Western understanding of that phrase, because sovereignty has been proffered many times in 75 years. It is not what Palestinians want. You need to listen to Palestinians, not Westerners westsplaining. And then, when you are really clear on what they mean by "free", you must bravely make your own moral evaluation of whether the "free" they actually mean is something you can support. Only then, and I mean this honestly, will you be able to really understand the dynamic going on over there. Only when you understand what Palestinians, by their own words, want, will you be an effective advocate for peace and prosperity in the region.
- selimthegrim 3y agoAmin Al-Husseini is not the only authority on the subject - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Najati_Sidqi https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Najati_Sidqi
- rendall 3y agoWe can listen to the Palestinians themselves: "Would you be willing to share land equally with Jews in peace?" https://youtu.be/Ry6kpYFHnxs https://youtu.be/Ry6kpYFHnxs "Would you compromise with Israel for peace?" https://youtu.be/CzM_QbnxOxs https://youtu.be/CzM_QbnxOxs "Do you want to expel the Jews?" https://youtu.be/5VqmUgami_Y https://youtu.be/5VqmUgami_Y "Why do you reject all peace offers?" https://youtu.be/vb-nfYXm_tg https://youtu.be/vb-nfYXm_tg "Should Iran nuclear bomb Tel Aviv?" https://youtu.be/RNyfUzWpeF8 https://youtu.be/RNyfUzWpeF8 "Is killing innocent Israelis heroic?" https://youtu.be/L4qPsLfO-AQ https://youtu.be/L4qPsLfO-AQ "What is your solution to the conflict?" https://youtu.be/x7hQ4cMlrNU https://youtu.be/x7hQ4cMlrNU "How do you explain Jewish archeology sites?" https://youtu.be/mkLs-yOi9gQ https://youtu.be/mkLs-yOi9gQ Etc After watching that it's instructive to listen to Israelis answer the question "Why can't you admit there is an occupation?" https://youtu.be/u_60-SwtF9M https://youtu.be/u_60-SwtF9M Then "Did Israel steal Palestinian land?" https://youtu.be/btVFgqkgkzw https://youtu.be/btVFgqkgkzw
- selimthegrim 3y agoYes, I've seen many of Corey's videos.
- rendall 3y agoYes. So you understand, then, that Free Palestine does not mean freedom. You good with that? I mean no disrespect when I ask: are you an Islamist?
- selimthegrim 3y agoMy family is Ahmedi. That should tell you everything you need to know about what “Islamists” would do to me.
- rendall 3y agoI appreciate your sticking with me, here. I can sometimes be arrogant, especially when I think I'm being unfairly attacked (not that I was being). I had never heard of Ahmedi before. Is there any way through for Israelis and Palestinians?
- selimthegrim 3y agoYou might be interested in looking into Ayman Odeh’s background.
- rendall 3y agoWow. It led me to this. Intense. Clear injustice. I don't get the whole moving people around, tearing down their houses thing. Seems corrupt. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Yacoub_Abu_Al-Qia%27an https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Yacoub_Abu_Al-Qia%2...
- selimthegrim 3y ago
- lazyasciiart 3y agoah, so they don't need to 'just stop killing Jews'. They need to convince you personally that they meet your personal definition of decent people who deserve not to be locked up. That seem a lot harder than your initial simplistic blather, but at least it also sounds more honest on your part.
- rendall 3y agoI'm trying to engage with you honestly, here. Would you like to meet me half way? If my "blather" is "simplistic", then tell me where I'm wrong.