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That's a bit of an over-simplification of what actually happened these weeks. Or a tremendous over-simplification, rather. Not that I really care about the out

by gafage 3y ago

That's a bit of an over-simplification of what actually happened these weeks. Or a tremendous over-simplification, rather. Not that I really care about the outcome (two parties could've won, and they are both progressive, so I will be unhappy either way), but the methods have crossed a few red lines.

alfonsodev 3y ago
might be an over-simplification but is right. Every year there are "indultos" (pardons?) happening, the famous Aznar's ones[1], and Rajoy's infamous "aministia fiscal"[2] but I guess is only now when it's convenient to push that narrative, no protests whatsoever for the other cases. Amnistia for tax evaders, it is democracy. Amnistia for those protesting making a performance-like referedum (everyone knew it would not actual effect), that's not democracy. It's a logic that I can not comprehend, I only can explain it if you consume so much mass media that you actually believe everything that is thrown at you. [1] https://www.eldiario.es/catalunya/gobierno-aznar-indulto-dia-personas-1-432-independentismo-quiere-amnistiar_1_10516718.html https://www.eldiario.es/catalunya/gobierno-aznar-indulto-dia.... [2] https://www.eldiario.es/economia/rato-franco-narco-100-beneficiarios-amnistia-fiscal-rajoy-han-salido-luz_1_10709088.html https://www.eldiario.es/economia/rato-franco-narco-100-benef...
- gafage 3y ago
  It's not the same when you do it because you need it to be the president. I don't agree with pardons; it's something that simply shouldn't exist in this day and age. It doesn't matter to me what brand of progressivism does it.
- germandiago 3y ago
  I am a close relative of a judge. I have asked plenty of non-media questions to get an idea of how our system works, should work and what does not work and did not for a long time (and now we have problems because the situation changed). By the way, I am not against independence FWIW. It is just the way things have been conducted are very aggraviating.

by gafage 3y ago

alfonsodev 3y ago

might be an over-simplification but is right. Every year there are "indultos" (pardons?) happening, the famous Aznar's ones[1], and Rajoy's infamous "aministia fiscal"[2] but I guess is only now when it's convenient to push that narrative, no protests whatsoever for the other cases. Amnistia for tax evaders, it is democracy. Amnistia for those protesting making a performance-like referedum (everyone knew it would not actual effect), that's not democracy. It's a logic that I can not comprehend, I only can explain it if you consume so much mass media that you actually believe everything that is thrown at you. [1] https://www.eldiario.es/catalunya/gobierno-aznar-indulto-dia-personas-1-432-independentismo-quiere-amnistiar_1_10516718.html https://www.eldiario.es/catalunya/gobierno-aznar-indulto-dia.... [2] https://www.eldiario.es/economia/rato-franco-narco-100-beneficiarios-amnistia-fiscal-rajoy-han-salido-luz_1_10709088.html https://www.eldiario.es/economia/rato-franco-narco-100-benef...

gafage 3y ago
It's not the same when you do it because you need it to be the president. I don't agree with pardons; it's something that simply shouldn't exist in this day and age. It doesn't matter to me what brand of progressivism does it.
germandiago 3y ago
I am a close relative of a judge. I have asked plenty of non-media questions to get an idea of how our system works, should work and what does not work and did not for a long time (and now we have problems because the situation changed). By the way, I am not against independence FWIW. It is just the way things have been conducted are very aggraviating.