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TIf I copy the money in someone's bank account - it's just numbers, after all - I haven't actually stolen anything. So that must be ok? TBH I would be ok with
by TheOtherHobbes 3y ago
TIf I copy the money in someone's bank account - it's just numbers, after all - I haven't actually stolen anything. So that must be ok?
TBH I would be ok with that. But - inexplicably - the pro-piracy people never are.
How about the videos of your personal sexy times on your phone?
Ah but wait! Money has value! No, money does not have value. Money is a special kind of resource-constrained IP with a unique protection mechanism and tightly controlled access rights. If it were possible to hack that system - and some people have done this - it's still just numbers with no more "value" than any other numbers.
Either you accept that ownership and access control are valid ways to manage access to resources, or you go full post-scarcity neo-communist and destroy the concept of ownership altogether.
Anything else is hypocrisy.
The fact that most IP is owned by terrible people and doesn't benefit the artists is a different argument. That's an argument against wealth capture, political inequality, and rentier capitalism - a much bigger issue with relevance across multiple domains.
The real tell is that this is only ever about creative and never expands into wider questions of ownership and resource control.
My suspicion is that non-creative people resent the apparent agency and freedom that creatives have, and this is always more about that resentment than some supposed question around IP.
Basically some guy who makes music is an easier target than CEO bro, and it's always easier to punch down than up.
- rmellow 3y agoInteresting analogy with money but I don't think it holds up. Money requires scarcity, otherwise its utility goes down. En masse, money copying would bring about hyper inflation very quickly. Society loses. On the other hand, what work of art requires scarcity to be enjoyed? Personal sexy videos don't count here, as that's a privacy matter not a scarcity issue. I can see that argument working for the fashion industry for example: buying clothes from an exclusive designer has the value of making you look unique. If suddenly that outfit gets copied and everyone is wearing knockoffs, you no longer look unique. However if someone pays to rent a movie, and someone else pirates it, none of the consumers lost. The copyright owner only loses if a sale would've otherwise happened. So I think that outcomes matter according to specific scenarios, and showing damage should be essential in court cases. Too many innocents have their lives ruined by inflated piracy claims that truly caused little damage.
- MoonlitKnight 3y agoCongratulations, you've realized that copying some data can be immoral while copying other data isn't. Neither of your examples of money or intimate videos has anything to do with copyright, so they're completely irrelevant to what's being discussed.