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> Being AI generated, they have no copyright. Careful with this assumption. The US Copyright Office have said this. Some other jurisdictions may have similar s

by vidarh 3y ago

> Being AI generated, they have no copyright. Careful with this assumption. The US Copyright Office have said this. Some other jurisdictions may have similar statements. But few (any?) claims around this have been tested in court, and specifically there is still the risk that there may be jurisdictions that find the output to be infringing if the training data is. It will take time for this to shake out. I do mostly agree with you that I think enough doors will be left open that it will be possible to find paths that will effectively "work around" copyright in fairly significant ways, but it's not so open and shut what will be ok and what won't.

cyanydeez 3y ago
the most likely outcome seems to be a black hole event where new rules of copyright will be established. I think if you replaced human with computer and went through all the training, you come to the conclusion that the human is recreating copyrighted works . so if you the send that human out to all these people knowing what they know, they're creating infringement. the hinge will be that the training data was never licensed by the model maker, the trainer for the human computer analog. the only thing limiting damage is that the scale of impact is unmanageable.
- vidarh 3y ago
  If so, it will not affect the progress of AI, because the AI companies will simply buy sufficient data. E.g. OpenAI's valuation alone means it could buy the largest publishers and image banks if they wanted. What an outcome like that would do, however, would be to massively centralise the ability to train legal models. At the same time you'd end up with a lot of "washing" of training data (a lot of "works for hire" that'd really be outputs of models trained on copyrighted works), and a lot of development moving to other countries.
  - cyanydeez 3y ago
    consider what a properly vetted model looks like. besides obtaining copyright it'd also become a wiki like source combed through and cleaned up. I'm pretty sure we are at the low hanging fruit and waiting for a mechanical turk to properly put a training set together.

by vidarh 3y ago

cyanydeez 3y ago

the most likely outcome seems to be a black hole event where new rules of copyright will be established. I think if you replaced human with computer and went through all the training, you come to the conclusion that the human is recreating copyrighted works . so if you the send that human out to all these people knowing what they know, they're creating infringement. the hinge will be that the training data was never licensed by the model maker, the trainer for the human computer analog. the only thing limiting damage is that the scale of impact is unmanageable.

vidarh 3y ago
If so, it will not affect the progress of AI, because the AI companies will simply buy sufficient data. E.g. OpenAI's valuation alone means it could buy the largest publishers and image banks if they wanted. What an outcome like that would do, however, would be to massively centralise the ability to train legal models. At the same time you'd end up with a lot of "washing" of training data (a lot of "works for hire" that'd really be outputs of models trained on copyrighted works), and a lot of development moving to other countries.
- cyanydeez 3y ago
  consider what a properly vetted model looks like. besides obtaining copyright it'd also become a wiki like source combed through and cleaned up. I'm pretty sure we are at the low hanging fruit and waiting for a mechanical turk to properly put a training set together.