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Happy not to conduct business with a party if its practice does not reflect my values.

by thefz 3y ago

CamperBob2 3y ago
So the answer is to take that choice away from you?
- thefz 3y ago
  The answer is that unbridled capitalism is not what I want.
  - logicchains 3y ago
    What about the people in Europe who do want to use those services? Why does what you want trump what they want, especially when them doing what they want has no direct impact on you.
    - regularjack 3y ago
      If those other people start using tech to automatically recognize my face on CCTV footage, that absolutely has an impact on me. I'm using the CCTV footage example because it's one of the things this regulation forbids.
  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    We don't have anything anywhere close to unbridled capitalism.
hartator 3y ago
Are you ready to opt out to cancer treatments found by US AIs?
- scrollaway 3y ago
  This sort of comment is so useless. Do you actually believe cancer treatments are what the EU is going to lose on with these regulations? Why?
  - csa 3y ago
    While I agree that the comment you replied to seems a bit over the top, I don’t think the answer to your question is as obvious as you make it out to be. 1. If the AI is more effective at finding successful cancer treatment for Little Endians versus Big Endians, then there is a non-zero chance that the AI will be deemed discriminatory. This could play out in a number of ways, but restricted access is certainly one of them. I live in California, and I also think that there is a non-zero chance of this happening here. It all depends on how the treatment and data are presented. 2. If the manufacturer of said treatment is anti-union, will the treatment options be distributable in certain parts of Europe?
    - Trombone12 3y ago
      There were plenty of top tier Covid vaccines created in Europe, and a Danish pharmaceutical is currently crushing the US weight loss market: your jingoism is deluding you.
      - csa 3y ago
        > your jingoism is deluding you As is yours. Who said anything about where I think this AI would be developed? US is possible. So is China. So is Europe. Not necessarily in that order. Japan might have an outside chance if certain things line up a certain way. If Europe and the US make AI research overly cumbersome, I’m sure there are plenty of countries that will offer sweetheart deals to the best teams looking for a new home.
  - refurb 3y ago
    It's not AI, but drug makers have already opted out of EU countries because of their regulations. "Drugmakers Boehringer-Ingelheim and Eli Lilly have called off plans to market their Type 2 diabetes drug linagliptin in Germany because new legislation in the country could mean that pill's price could end up being too low." https://www.reuters.com/article/boehringer-lilly-idINL5E7K23IA20110902/ https://www.reuters.com/article/boehringer-lilly-idINL5E7K23...
satvikpendem 3y ago
Indeed, I will have to geoblock my products out of the EU, as I've heard others have already done.
soulofmischief 3y ago
I'll go further. I fully do not recognize certain internet laws enacted recently by various states in the US, such as requiring identification to view a website, or banning children from using the internet after dark. Laws like these are unconstitutional and I intend to actively disregard them while still serving customers in those states.
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  How are they unconstitutional?
  - soulofmischief 3y ago
    First amendment grounds. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/09/18/california-online-child-safety-law/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/09/18/califor... Know your rights.

Happy not to conduct business with a party if its practice does not reflect my values.

by thefz 3y ago

Happy not to conduct business with a party if its practice does not reflect my values.

CamperBob2 3y ago

So the answer is to take that choice away from you?

thefz 3y ago
The answer is that unbridled capitalism is not what I want.
- logicchains 3y ago
  What about the people in Europe who do want to use those services? Why does what you want trump what they want, especially when them doing what they want has no direct impact on you.
  - regularjack 3y ago
    If those other people start using tech to automatically recognize my face on CCTV footage, that absolutely has an impact on me. I'm using the CCTV footage example because it's one of the things this regulation forbids.
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  We don't have anything anywhere close to unbridled capitalism.

hartator 3y ago

Are you ready to opt out to cancer treatments found by US AIs?

scrollaway 3y ago
This sort of comment is so useless. Do you actually believe cancer treatments are what the EU is going to lose on with these regulations? Why?
- csa 3y ago
  While I agree that the comment you replied to seems a bit over the top, I don’t think the answer to your question is as obvious as you make it out to be. 1. If the AI is more effective at finding successful cancer treatment for Little Endians versus Big Endians, then there is a non-zero chance that the AI will be deemed discriminatory. This could play out in a number of ways, but restricted access is certainly one of them. I live in California, and I also think that there is a non-zero chance of this happening here. It all depends on how the treatment and data are presented. 2. If the manufacturer of said treatment is anti-union, will the treatment options be distributable in certain parts of Europe?
  - Trombone12 3y ago
    There were plenty of top tier Covid vaccines created in Europe, and a Danish pharmaceutical is currently crushing the US weight loss market: your jingoism is deluding you.
    - csa 3y ago
      > your jingoism is deluding you As is yours. Who said anything about where I think this AI would be developed? US is possible. So is China. So is Europe. Not necessarily in that order. Japan might have an outside chance if certain things line up a certain way. If Europe and the US make AI research overly cumbersome, I’m sure there are plenty of countries that will offer sweetheart deals to the best teams looking for a new home.
- refurb 3y ago
  It's not AI, but drug makers have already opted out of EU countries because of their regulations. "Drugmakers Boehringer-Ingelheim and Eli Lilly have called off plans to market their Type 2 diabetes drug linagliptin in Germany because new legislation in the country could mean that pill's price could end up being too low." https://www.reuters.com/article/boehringer-lilly-idINL5E7K23IA20110902/ https://www.reuters.com/article/boehringer-lilly-idINL5E7K23...

satvikpendem 3y ago

Indeed, I will have to geoblock my products out of the EU, as I've heard others have already done.

soulofmischief 3y ago

I'll go further. I fully do not recognize certain internet laws enacted recently by various states in the US, such as requiring identification to view a website, or banning children from using the internet after dark. Laws like these are unconstitutional and I intend to actively disregard them while still serving customers in those states.

robertlagrant 3y ago
How are they unconstitutional?
- soulofmischief 3y ago
  First amendment grounds. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/09/18/california-online-child-safety-law/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/09/18/califor... Know your rights.