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This all seems premature. So far we have something that can generate text and pictures based on other text and pictures ?

by pipes 3y ago

helsinkiandrew 3y ago
> This all seems premature. So far we have something that can generate text and pictures based on other text and pictures ? I think the reasoning is that at one time Social Media was just a few sites where people could share photos and fun articles they'd read - and it turned into a privacy/hate speech/monopoly minefield that no one is sure is completely good for society and now is impossible to control.
- ekianjo 3y ago
  why do you have to control anything? Again the government knowing no bounds, but not surprising coming from non-democratic bureaucratic EU
  - helsinkiandrew 3y ago
    > why do you have to control anything? Again the government knowing no bounds Because most countries have laws about discrimination, promoting hate, inciting hatred, meddling with elections etc. There's nothing here that wasn't included as part of the Bletchley declaration about AI safety and signed by just about all the well known AI players including democratically elected governments last month.
  - Levitz 3y ago
    Because not controlling anything has a LONG history of utter misery and might still lead to borderline human extinction as it is now.
    - logicchains 3y ago
      Elites controlling everything is why the couple thousand years prior to the 1900s almost everybody in the world lived in conditions that would be considered abject poverty today.
      - __loam 3y ago
        Honey, the elites control most of the infrastructure related to this stuff now.
        zlg_codes 3y ago
        And you don't think conditions suck for a good number of the world? This sort of rhetoric is empty and meaningless, useful only for antagonism.
        __loam 3y ago
        All I'm saying is that's not an excuse for deregulation, it's literally a reason to do more regulation. Open source and distributed social media exists, that doesn't mean we should let meta do whatever it wants. E: A lot of the libertarian rhetoric here falls apart when you examine other monopolistic situations like water or electricity. You need massive datacenters to run these applications. That gives the corporations who can operate that capital advantages that lead to them owning spheres of computing like AI. The only way to address that monopoly power is government action, unless you like the negative market externalities created by those monopolies (maybe you own equity in a technology company). Frankly, even if the EU gets it wrong the first time, I am much happier with their approach of trying something than I am with the United States approach of "we need to innovate at all costs! What if china catches up?!". I've had enough hysterics from free market people who think gigantic tech interests can do no wrong, or who are under the naive impression that the open source community can create these models without the backing of big capital.
      - developer93 3y ago
        And not having any control is why some "shithole" countries have that reputation..
kasperni 3y ago
Really? I know Snap AI (which is available for kids over 13) will happily advise you with how to cut yourself if you ask it.
- deleted 3y ago
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- rafale 3y ago
  So would Google or any obscure forums. Just like fraud, the optimal amount of negativity in a technology is never zero. Gotta accept some amount of issues to maximize the benefits to drawbacks ratio.
singularity2001 3y ago
praying that the regulators do not read this: so far it can generate code and run code either in the sandbox or if you give it access to your system.
troupo 3y ago
> This all seems premature. So far we have something that can generate text and pictures based on other text and pictures ? People say this with a straight face having China as an example, and news like this https://www.404media.co/fusus-ai-cameras-took-over-town-america/ https://www.404media.co/fusus-ai-cameras-took-over-town-amer... and Deloitte alraedy campaigning for predictive policing: https://www2.deloitte.com/fi/fi/pages/public-sector/articles/urban-future-with-a-purpose/surveillance-and-predictive-policing-through-ai.html https://www2.deloitte.com/fi/fi/pages/public-sector/articles...

This all seems premature. So far we have something that can generate text and pictures based on other text and pictures ?

by pipes 3y ago

This all seems premature. So far we have something that can generate text and pictures based on other text and pictures ?

helsinkiandrew 3y ago

> This all seems premature. So far we have something that can generate text and pictures based on other text and pictures ? I think the reasoning is that at one time Social Media was just a few sites where people could share photos and fun articles they'd read - and it turned into a privacy/hate speech/monopoly minefield that no one is sure is completely good for society and now is impossible to control.

ekianjo 3y ago
why do you have to control anything? Again the government knowing no bounds, but not surprising coming from non-democratic bureaucratic EU
- helsinkiandrew 3y ago
  > why do you have to control anything? Again the government knowing no bounds Because most countries have laws about discrimination, promoting hate, inciting hatred, meddling with elections etc. There's nothing here that wasn't included as part of the Bletchley declaration about AI safety and signed by just about all the well known AI players including democratically elected governments last month.
- Levitz 3y ago
  Because not controlling anything has a LONG history of utter misery and might still lead to borderline human extinction as it is now.
  - logicchains 3y ago
    Elites controlling everything is why the couple thousand years prior to the 1900s almost everybody in the world lived in conditions that would be considered abject poverty today.
    - __loam 3y ago
      Honey, the elites control most of the infrastructure related to this stuff now.
      - zlg_codes 3y ago
        And you don't think conditions suck for a good number of the world? This sort of rhetoric is empty and meaningless, useful only for antagonism.
        __loam 3y ago
        All I'm saying is that's not an excuse for deregulation, it's literally a reason to do more regulation. Open source and distributed social media exists, that doesn't mean we should let meta do whatever it wants. E: A lot of the libertarian rhetoric here falls apart when you examine other monopolistic situations like water or electricity. You need massive datacenters to run these applications. That gives the corporations who can operate that capital advantages that lead to them owning spheres of computing like AI. The only way to address that monopoly power is government action, unless you like the negative market externalities created by those monopolies (maybe you own equity in a technology company). Frankly, even if the EU gets it wrong the first time, I am much happier with their approach of trying something than I am with the United States approach of "we need to innovate at all costs! What if china catches up?!". I've had enough hysterics from free market people who think gigantic tech interests can do no wrong, or who are under the naive impression that the open source community can create these models without the backing of big capital.
    - developer93 3y ago
      And not having any control is why some "shithole" countries have that reputation..

kasperni 3y ago

Really? I know Snap AI (which is available for kids over 13) will happily advise you with how to cut yourself if you ask it.

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rafale 3y ago
So would Google or any obscure forums. Just like fraud, the optimal amount of negativity in a technology is never zero. Gotta accept some amount of issues to maximize the benefits to drawbacks ratio.

singularity2001 3y ago

praying that the regulators do not read this: so far it can generate code and run code either in the sandbox or if you give it access to your system.

troupo 3y ago

> This all seems premature. So far we have something that can generate text and pictures based on other text and pictures ? People say this with a straight face having China as an example, and news like this https://www.404media.co/fusus-ai-cameras-took-over-town-america/ https://www.404media.co/fusus-ai-cameras-took-over-town-amer... and Deloitte alraedy campaigning for predictive policing: https://www2.deloitte.com/fi/fi/pages/public-sector/articles/urban-future-with-a-purpose/surveillance-and-predictive-policing-through-ai.html https://www2.deloitte.com/fi/fi/pages/public-sector/articles...