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If including a copyrighted work in an AI training corpus is theft because of its influence on some artificial neural net, then so is viewing it by a human being

by prvc 3y ago

If including a copyrighted work in an AI training corpus is theft because of its influence on some artificial neural net, then so is viewing it by a human being, whose memory is now somehow the property of the copyright holder, an absurd conclusion.

poidos 3y ago
Your premise that a neural net is equivalent to a human brain seems much more absurd.
- prvc 3y ago
  You wouldn't look at a car.
naet 3y ago
There's a massive jump in that logic, which is basically equating a large neural net to being exactly the same as a singular human being. If you ask me that is clearly not the case. They operate in entirely different ways and have very different properties.
- CamperBob2 3y ago
  Are you willing to give up this point of view the first time you fail a Turing test? It seems only fair.
- prvc 3y ago
  >There's a massive jump in that logic, which is basically equating a large neural net to being exactly the same as a singular human being. It does not assume that.
notahacker 3y ago
Well if we're concluding that training a neural net and a human mind forming memories is exactly the same thing, I'm looking forward to all their defenders agreeing that the neural nets should be held criminally responsible every time they generate an image deemed unlawful in certain jurisdictions... Otherwise there's obviously a legally relevant distinction between a human mind which is ascribed agency to decide if and how to use its memories of copyrighted material, and importing into an information retrieval system which can't help but spit out transformations of parts of its inputs on demand, (including lossy representations of the Getty watermark if it's fed enough Getty material, or an exact facsimile of an image if that's all it's trained on...)
anonymousab 3y ago
Humans are not treated the same as machines and business ventures. Many things are illegal for the latter and are not thought crimes for the former.

by prvc 3y ago

poidos 3y ago

Your premise that a neural net is equivalent to a human brain seems much more absurd.

prvc 3y ago
You wouldn't look at a car.

naet 3y ago

There's a massive jump in that logic, which is basically equating a large neural net to being exactly the same as a singular human being. If you ask me that is clearly not the case. They operate in entirely different ways and have very different properties.

CamperBob2 3y ago
Are you willing to give up this point of view the first time you fail a Turing test? It seems only fair.
prvc 3y ago
>There's a massive jump in that logic, which is basically equating a large neural net to being exactly the same as a singular human being. It does not assume that.

notahacker 3y ago

Well if we're concluding that training a neural net and a human mind forming memories is exactly the same thing, I'm looking forward to all their defenders agreeing that the neural nets should be held criminally responsible every time they generate an image deemed unlawful in certain jurisdictions... Otherwise there's obviously a legally relevant distinction between a human mind which is ascribed agency to decide if and how to use its memories of copyrighted material, and importing into an information retrieval system which can't help but spit out transformations of parts of its inputs on demand, (including lossy representations of the Getty watermark if it's fed enough Getty material, or an exact facsimile of an image if that's all it's trained on...)

anonymousab 3y ago

Humans are not treated the same as machines and business ventures. Many things are illegal for the latter and are not thought crimes for the former.