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is this mainly used for weird chemical containers for industry or something? i can't imagine too many containers in the grocery store needing to be fluorinated
by 0xDEADFED5 3y ago
is this mainly used for weird chemical containers for industry or something? i can't imagine too many containers in the grocery store needing to be fluorinated HDPE
edit: just noticed that "2.2 Kg" is used twice in the EPA release [0]...that's either a pretty weird unit of measurement or an error of some kind since 1 kg = 2.2 lb
[0] https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-takes-action-protect-people-pfas-leach-plastic-containers-pesticides-and-other https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-takes-action-protect-pe...
- duomo 3y agoThe waterproof coating for all those “compostsble” paper takeout containers are PFAS.
- jjtheblunt 3y agoAll? It used to be waxes before the toxins took over. Maybe some still are.
- gruez 3y agoI don't think I've ever seen a wax takeout container. Prior to the current wave of "compostable" containers, takeout containers were either something non-paper backed (eg. styrofoam or plastic), or something that resembled a paper cup (which uses plastic not wax, because wax gets melted by hot food/drinks).
- anonymouskimmer 3y agoWaxed cups are still sold for cold drink use: https://www.webstaurantstore.com/search/wax-paper-cups.html https://www.webstaurantstore.com/search/wax-paper-cups.html I remember them being pretty common. But that has probably changed over the years as you indicate.
- RajT88 3y agoStill a thing, but no longer the default. Weird too - wax paper cups were fine. I assume, just more expensive to make. Now it's the red plastic solo cups which are the default.
- 0xDEADFED5 3y agoa quick search shows soy wax being used in some containers still. today i learned that "mosquitocide" is a word, and soy wax is a thing. Thanks HN =)
- dexwiz 3y agoSoy candles are pretty popular in the USA.
- loopdoend 3y agoCandles are horrifying for indoor air quality, why would anyone use them?
- msandford 3y agoPeople also smoke and drink and catch diseases. They might say there's more to life than trying to live forever.
- meepmorp 3y ago> why would anyone use them? They look nice and produce a pleasant, warm light; I would also guess many people aren't aware of their impact on air quality. Surprisingly, different people have different opinions about what matters in a given situation.
- xeromal 3y agoAS the great George Strait said, "I'm here for a good time not a long time."
- elric 3y agoSo many things used to be covered in wax before plastics and PFA coatings took over. From rain coats to butcher's paper. The wax versions still exist, but they're often a lot more expensive than the PFA or plastic lined versions. In my fantasy world these were all covered in beeswax, but I doubt there's enough beeswax for all of those applicatins. I don't suppose anyone knows what the wax is/was made of, and whether it had any health concerns as well?
- namdnay 3y agoI would imagine mineral waxes? (ie hydrocarbons)
- bushbaba 3y agoI wish we could go back. Wax covered paper is way better for the environment
- FuriouslyAdrift 3y agoI never really warmed up to these (they were a gift) but they do work reasonably well. https://www.beeswrap.com/ https://www.beeswrap.com/
- userbinator 3y agoYes. Better chemical resistance than regular HDPE, but as you might expect, a higher cost too, so it'll only be used for applications that require it.
- JamesBell 3y agoOne of their customers is the cosmetics industry https://youtu.be/a-Hu4HQvA_U?si=rOSlIG1pM202AXpB https://youtu.be/a-Hu4HQvA_U?si=rOSlIG1pM202AXpB
- 0xDEADFED5 3y agoperfect video, thanks. second from top comment is this: "Why not require companies that use fluorinated plastic containers to print a large warning label on them informing consumers of the danger like we do with cigarettes/tobacco? If the EPA can't force their hand, maybe we can try to change consumer behavior." and i have to admit, that was my very own reaction when i saw this press release
- anonymouskimmer 3y agoInhance claims their containers are recyclable, so a number of them probably do get recycled into new HDPE containers. How do you warn consumers about this without turning them off of all recycled plastics?
- 0xDEADFED5 3y agothat's a fair point, but if it was up to me i'd be happy to see labeling on the specifically fluorinated containers. or maybe it's not even necessary to worry about because the containers are just as unhealthy as all the other containers?
- GeorgeHahn 3y agoIt's plausible that broad concern about recycled plastics would be valid. This study[1] found that the recycled plastics analyzed were fairly toxic. I recall another that found the same for recycled synthetic clothing, but I was unable to find a reference. 1. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/11/231110112511.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/11/231110112511.h...
- anonymouskimmer 3y ago
- djbusby 3y agoIt's roughly 5lb (2267g)
- rad_gruchalski 3y ago> just noticed that "2.2 Kg" is used twice in the EPA release Even better, there’s no such unit of mass as “Kg”. It’s “kg”.