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Ask HN: Does anyone teach spreadsheet architecture?
Has anyone taken a formal class where spreadsheets and spreadsheet usage and spreadsheet architecture is taught?
High school, or college.
- sp332 3y agoThis might not be as in-depth as you need, but Joel Spolsky's "You Suck at Excel" is a great first hour. https://youtube.com/watch?v=0nbkaYsR94c https://youtube.com/watch?v=0nbkaYsR94c
- kamphey 3y agoThis may go to show the extreme lack of education on spreadsheets in general. Thanks for sharing!
- sargstuff 3y agoLibreOffice is a package of various applications usable under a common environment (including spreadsheet software, Calc). One can then run various scripts to use/pull/push data to/from spreadsheet to other libreoffice applications (database, wordprocessor, forms, etc.)[0][1] Specific theory not withstanding, learing how to use the various libreoffice applications together, sort of informal way of learning spreadsheet architecture. list of libreoffice classes from internet search engine request: https://documentation.libreoffice.org/assets/Uploads/Documentation/en/GS5.2/HTML/GS5205-GettingStartedWithCalc.html https://documentation.libreoffice.org/assets/Uploads/Documen... https://openclassrooms.com/en/courses/5873051-master-the-basics-of-spreadsheets https://openclassrooms.com/en/courses/5873051-master-the-bas... https://www.udemy.com/course/step-by-step-spreadsheets-for-absolute-beginners https://www.udemy.com/course/step-by-step-spreadsheets-for-a... https://www.coursera.org/projects/excel-for-beginners-introduction-to-spreadsheets https://www.coursera.org/projects/excel-for-beginners-introd... https://www.yaclass.in/p/science-state-board/class-8/libreoffice-calc-13959/introduction-to-spreadsheets-libreoffice-calc-11415 https://www.yaclass.in/p/science-state-board/class-8/libreof... ------ [0] : https://help.libreoffice.org/6.1/en-US/text/shared/guide/scripting.html https://help.libreoffice.org/6.1/en-US/text/shared/guide/scr... [1] : https://documentation.libreoffice.org/assets/Uploads/Documentation/en/CG7.0/CG70-CalcGuide.pdf https://documentation.libreoffice.org/assets/Uploads/Documen... [2] : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgO40-CjYNY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgO40-CjYNY [3] : https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/templates-and-extensions/ https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/templates-and-extension...
- mikewarot 3y agoExcel is, by far, the most popular programming language in the world. It's strong support of declarative programming is hard for those used to procedural programming (such as C, Python, etc.) to grasp. It does have a few flaws when it comes to making assumptions about cell contents, and the handling of tables, but otherwise it's quite powerful.
- sargstuff 3y agolightly different view/take of excel as a framework for data flow: Excel can be viewed as a visual organizational framework for structuring/arranging/editing data through graphical user interface[3]. (vs. command line programming languages such as apl and/or awk, implicitly operating on the modern day 'file as a virutal typeset block of utf/ascii characters'[2]). Where excel data flow is based on visual grid flow references, declarative languages hide the grid references (aka memory locations/storage/retreival) behind the scenes. Relative to Excel, goal directed languages such as icon/unicorn[1] completely abstract the data flow. Excell is somewhat a virtual version of 50's/60's patch panels, where excel cell can be just a plug, an electronic feed back, full computer box or whole different electronic box. Less 'grid' and more visual virtual 'patch panel' related : pd[0] python in excell : https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/excel-blog/announcing-python-in-excel-combining-the-power-of-python-and-the/ba-p/3893439 https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/excel-blog/announcing... [0] : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_Data https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_Data [1] : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icon_(programming_language) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icon_(programming_language) [2] : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typesetting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typesetting [3] : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_programming_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_programming_language
- gidorah 3y agoA number of years ago, I came accross the FAST standard for financial modelling, and a company F1F9 that teach financial modelling. Somewhat related I suppose. https://www.fast-standard.org/ https://www.fast-standard.org/ https://www.f1f9.com/ https://www.f1f9.com/
- kamphey 3y agoPerhaps this makes the point that only those whose job is solely spreadsheets will get very deep instructions and education on the subject. Accountants/CPAs/Financial Executives/Bookkeepers(maybe)
- sargstuff 3y ago"From Memex to Hypercard"[0][1] might be insiteful digression related to 'spreadsheet architecture'. Just keep in mind how libraries worked before the advent of the computer. Decker[2][3] current modern take on hypercard. various types of spreadheets with user interface (vs. use editor with a plain tabular text file): teapot : https://www.syntax-k.de/projekte/teapot/ visicalc : https://www.visidata.org/ sc-m : https://github.com/andmarti1424/sc-im or mix files & manipulating 'spreadsheet' text files, gawk[4], webawk[5], python awk[6]. not as compact as excel, but diy gui for awk[7] with screen[8]/menu[9] or gui design courses[10] informal discussion about moving beyond 'text' files: https://twitter.com/llama_index/status/1733653470987825452 https://twitter.com/llama_index/status/1733653470987825452 -------- [0] : https://elearningindustry.com/memex-hypercard https://elearningindustry.com/memex-hypercard [1] : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_We_May_Think https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_We_May_Think [2] : https://beyondloom.com/decker/index.html https://beyondloom.com/decker/index.html [3] : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33377964 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33377964 [4] gawk : https://www.gnu.org/software/gawk/manual/ https://www.gnu.org/software/gawk/manual/ [5] webawk : a) https://github.com/agordon/webawk / https://agordon.github.io/webawk/ b) https://www.npmjs.com/package/awkjs c) 'awk driven iot' : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14737978 [6] pawk : https://github.com/alecthomas/pawk https://github.com/alecthomas/pawk [7] https://github.com/chriskiehl/Gooey https://github.com/chriskiehl/Gooey [8] screen: https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-use-linux-screen/ https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-use-linux-screen/ [9] menu : https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/menu-driven-shell-script/ https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/menu-driven-shell-script/ [10] HN suggested gui design courses : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38591437 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38591437
- sargstuff 3y agopart 2 follow-up to ""From Memex to Hypercard" commentary: "functional" tree structure[: 1) So, once get over the Steve Awk-ings stuff (geek stocking stuffer ideas) and want something more determinate/functional; try excel with an in-depth 80's Q-bert theme. Just rotate excell display 45 degrees[0]. Extra excel points for adding drop shadows to excel cells to create the 3d q-bert board. This is the 'diamond' screen view. See data structures information on tree traversal. Rules/Restrictions for fetching/storing diamond screen cell data. a) ALWAYS start at top corner. b) Can not move left or right while remaining on same level. c) Starting at top, can not go lower than imaginary line at widest point. The 'determinate' line! d) 'Useful' data/values can ONLY be stored in cell if complete cell touches the determinate line. 2) Open a 2nd excel spread sheet in 'square' screen view. As traverse the diamond screen, store 'matches' in a free cell in same column. this will be an 'array of data' when diamond screen traversal is complete. So, at the point where can introduce the 'Event Horizon' line[1] and introduce the weighty lead in to 'signed' garbage collection aka negative / posative cancellation. What OS's tag as 'swap space'. ---- [0] : https://github.com/leonicolas/ReQbert https://github.com/leonicolas/ReQbert [1] : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6lDG-bP3zg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6lDG-bP3zg [2] : excel as a digital crt storage device : https://www.computerhistory.org/storageengine/williams-demonstrates-crt-storage/ https://www.computerhistory.org/storageengine/williams-demon...
- sargstuff 3y agopart 3 of "From Memex to Hypercard" commentary: "aligning/compressing planes" For the final installment, merge the diamond and square excel screens/sheets to align/line things (compress) using l-systems[0][1][2][3] / turtle programing[4][5][6] Basic execl l-system concept, is each cell in given square sheet column (highlighted with color of interest) has list of all corresponding similar diamond cells of same color. each square sheet column then is a different picture, an 'l-system' picture. The trick to finding the diamond cells to put in corresponding square cell color block is XORing square cell color checking for with each diamond sheet cell. If get no color back, then add the diamond sheet cell number to current square sheet cell list (aka no need to mess with garbage results). [0] http://cd.textfiles.com/amigaacs/amigaacs199806/Utilities/Shareware/Graphics/LParser/Lparser-Home-Page/ http://cd.textfiles.com/amigaacs/amigaacs199806/Utilities/Sh... [1] : https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/weavetech.html https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/weavetech.html [2] : https://nathan.ho.name/posts/sound-synthesis-with-l-systems/ https://nathan.ho.name/posts/sound-synthesis-with-l-systems/ [3] : draw l-systems with common lisp : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23919080 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23919080 [4] : learning to program using python logo-like turtle : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2494004 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2494004 [5] : turtle graphics library (p5.js) : https://github.com/CodeGuppyPrograms/TurtleGFX https://github.com/CodeGuppyPrograms/TurtleGFX [6] : https://www.transum.org/software/Logo/ https://www.transum.org/software/Logo/ Logo for kids : https://softwareprogramming4kids.com/logo/ https://softwareprogramming4kids.com/logo/ logo programming : https://medium.com/@isetitra/logo-language-for-windows-mac-and-linux-ab184196bd20 https://medium.com/@isetitra/logo-language-for-windows-mac-a... logo tutorial : https://www.tutorialspoint.com/logo/index.htm https://www.tutorialspoint.com/logo/index.htm powerfx : https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/introducing-microsoft-power-fx-the-low-code-programming-language-for-everyone/ https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/introducing-micro... which language to learn : https://www.reddit.com/r/excel/comments/9emiwd/confused_about_which_language_to_learn/ https://www.reddit.com/r/excel/comments/9emiwd/confused_abou... lambda, the excel ultimate worksheet function : https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/blog/lambda-the-ultimatae-excel-worksheet-function/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/blog/lambda-the-ult...
- sargstuff 3y agore: part 3 follow-up to "From Memex to Hypercard" commentary: Could call l-systems the electronic/virtual version of 'tally sticks'[0] [0] : https://www.computerhistory.org/storageengine/roman-philosopher-pliny-describes-tally-sticks/ https://www.computerhistory.org/storageengine/roman-philosop...
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- sargstuff 3y agoLearning with Lucy[0], a beginner excel course. ---- curated direct links from searching hackernews / search engines on 'excel' * excel for everything : https://benn.substack.com/p/the-next-billion-programmers https://benn.substack.com/p/the-next-billion-programmers * The World Cup of MS Excel : https://archive.ph/DgDYQ https://archive.ph/DgDYQ * user-centered approach to user functions in excel : https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/excel.pdf https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/... * MS opens up Excel to custom data types with images, arrays and more : https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/2/22759149/microsoft-excel-javascript-api-custom-data-types-feature https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/2/22759149/microsoft-excel-... * Lambda: the ultimate excel worksheet function : https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/blog/lambda-the-ultimatae-excel-worksheet-function/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/blog/lambda-the-ult... * lambda-2d: An exploration of drawingas a programming Language, featureing ideas from lambda calculus : https://www.media.mit.edu/projects/2d-an-exploration-of-drawing-as-programming-language-featuring-ideas-from-lambda-calculus/overview/ https://www.media.mit.edu/projects/2d-an-exploration-of-draw... * Using Java script functions in excel : https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-adds-support-for-javascript-functions-in-excel/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-ad... * spreadsheet as software paradigm : https://medium.com/@vlapiner/spreadsheet-is-a-software-development-paradigm-70c871ff5f49 https://medium.com/@vlapiner/spreadsheet-is-a-software-devel... * make excel spreadsheet behave as an integrated development environment (IDE) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY6ri3blTQM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY6ri3blTQM * spreadsheets are graphs : https://neo4j.com/blog/spreadsheets-are-graphs-too/ https://neo4j.com/blog/spreadsheets-are-graphs-too/ * excel turning machine : https://www.felienne.com/archives/2974 https://www.felienne.com/archives/2974 * from recursive functions to turning machines : https://people.irisa.fr/Francois.Schwarzentruber/recursive_functions_to_turing_machines/ https://people.irisa.fr/Francois.Schwarzentruber/recursive_f... * quick way to create an excel example to learn from -> free ai bot creates any excel formula you need : https://bgr.com/tech/game-changer-for-excel-free-ai-bot-creates-any-excel-formula-you-need/ https://bgr.com/tech/game-changer-for-excel-free-ai-bot-crea... * unusual excel uses : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9PLmtQZwmY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9PLmtQZwmY * excel 'card layout' : https://blog.prototypr.io/secrets-of-excel-break-free-from-the-grid-layout-11f7cc5d4104 https://blog.prototypr.io/secrets-of-excel-break-free-from-t... * excell infographics : https://bootcamp.uxdesign.cc/mastering-excel-infographics-7d4e92295f73 https://bootcamp.uxdesign.cc/mastering-excel-infographics-7d... * conways' game of life simulation in excel : http://dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2011/04/06/conways-game-of-life-simulation-in-excel/ http://dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2011/04/06/conways-game... * explaining a structured excell game of life : https://www.j-paine.org/dobbs/life.html https://www.j-paine.org/dobbs/life.html ---- [0] : https://www.learnwithlucy.rocks/courses/excel?coupon=earlydecimal https://www.learnwithlucy.rocks/courses/excel?coupon=earlyde... from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31878462 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31878462