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What do you call what's going on right now, if not deliberate civilian massacres in order to get to relative handful of fighters hiding amongst them?

kaba0 3y ago
Well, what other way is there? Hamas is a terrorist organization, with in the picture, there will never be peace. The only option thus is the most targeted elimination of all terrorists. Unfortunately, 100% specificity is impossible to achieve. So the question is, is Israel doing their absolute best on minimizing casualties or not? Do you have a reason to assume they don’t do so? The reported 2:1 ratio is absolutely in line with modern warfares, especially considering the very very densely populated urban environment.
- account42 3y ago
  > Well, what other way is there? Hamas is a terrorist organization, with in the picture, there will never be peace. The only option thus is the most targeted elimination of all terrorists. And I'm sure you will accept Hamas strikes against Israel as justified as long as they deem the IDF as a terrorist organization? Or is it only your view of who is or is not a terrorist organization that matters? We should never let labels like "terrorist" be used to justify using any means neccassary to ensure their removal. There is always the null option - do nothing. How much civilian casualties are there with that option vs. indescriminate eradication of anyone near Hamas?
  - kaba0 3y ago
    The null “option” is forever letting Israeli civilians living in constant fear of rocket attacks. That’s no way of living.
    - account42 3y ago
      It's a better way of living than what the palestinians are subjected to right now.
      - kaba0 3y ago
        With hamas in the picture, both Palestine and Israeli civilians will suffer indefinitely with no peace ever. With a hopefully short war that manages to cut out the cancer that is hamas, healing can begin for both nations.
- markdown 3y ago
  > Well, what other way is there? I mean, fire the general in charge of security and put competent people on your walls to avoid any further incursions, and then work to remove the million settlers you've pushed onto stolen lands. It's insane how Israel has managed to sell this fiction that they have a right to slaughter tens of thousands because a few terrorists must be hiding amongst them.

kaba0 3y ago

Well, what other way is there? Hamas is a terrorist organization, with in the picture, there will never be peace. The only option thus is the most targeted elimination of all terrorists. Unfortunately, 100% specificity is impossible to achieve. So the question is, is Israel doing their absolute best on minimizing casualties or not? Do you have a reason to assume they don’t do so? The reported 2:1 ratio is absolutely in line with modern warfares, especially considering the very very densely populated urban environment.

account42 3y ago
> Well, what other way is there? Hamas is a terrorist organization, with in the picture, there will never be peace. The only option thus is the most targeted elimination of all terrorists. And I'm sure you will accept Hamas strikes against Israel as justified as long as they deem the IDF as a terrorist organization? Or is it only your view of who is or is not a terrorist organization that matters? We should never let labels like "terrorist" be used to justify using any means neccassary to ensure their removal. There is always the null option - do nothing. How much civilian casualties are there with that option vs. indescriminate eradication of anyone near Hamas?
- kaba0 3y ago
  The null “option” is forever letting Israeli civilians living in constant fear of rocket attacks. That’s no way of living.
  - account42 3y ago
    It's a better way of living than what the palestinians are subjected to right now.
    - kaba0 3y ago
      With hamas in the picture, both Palestine and Israeli civilians will suffer indefinitely with no peace ever. With a hopefully short war that manages to cut out the cancer that is hamas, healing can begin for both nations.
markdown 3y ago
> Well, what other way is there? I mean, fire the general in charge of security and put competent people on your walls to avoid any further incursions, and then work to remove the million settlers you've pushed onto stolen lands. It's insane how Israel has managed to sell this fiction that they have a right to slaughter tens of thousands because a few terrorists must be hiding amongst them.