3 ms·

>I do recall opposition to America’s post 9-11 response based on the same arguments Very much on the margins if any. The overwhelming consensus ignored these c

by yyyk 3y ago

>I do recall opposition to America’s post 9-11 response based on the same arguments Very much on the margins if any. The overwhelming consensus ignored these considerations. >The current laws of war do not allow, for instance, strikes at medical facilities. This is wrong. Medical facilities can be struck if they are used for war. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/08/504815234/u-s-led-coalition-hits-main-mosul-hospital-with-airstrike https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/08/504815234... Moreover, this is not what happened in Gaza - there were raids but not dropping bombs from airplanes, the former being much less destructive.

lazyasciiart 3y ago
> Very much on the margins if any. The overwhelming consensus ignored these considerations. Not true. I certainly wouldn’t refer to “the US did it” as a cite for “it’s not a war crime”, but that article appears to be saying they attacked a place not thought to be currently active as a civilian medical facility.
- yyyk 3y ago
  >Not true. Some of us have direct memories of the time and it was very much true... >I certainly wouldn’t refer.. They weren't even aware they weren't any patients. And it's not the only hospital attacked at Mosul. Most hospitals there were attacked: https://reliefweb.int/report/iraq/iraq-rebuilding-hospital-ruins-battle-mosul https://reliefweb.int/report/iraq/iraq-rebuilding-hospital-r... If you want the legal brief, see Article 8.2.e.iv. with an explicit carveout ("provided they are not military objectives"): https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/default/files/RS-Eng.pdf#page=14 https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/default/files/RS-Eng.pdf#page=...
  - lazyasciiart 3y ago
    Yes, I do have direct memories of the time. Perhaps you were in one of those pro-war bubbles that didn't see any opposition.
    - yyyk 3y ago
      I actually remember quite a bit of opposition. Just not on these grounds.
- redcitylights 3y ago
  > Not true. Make an argument, not just a contradiction. The fact is that public opinion on the Iraq war was far higher (47-60% in favor) initially than it is now (61% say we should have stayed out). wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_in_the_United_States_on_the_invasion_of_Iraq#
  - lazyasciiart 3y ago
    My argument is that there was not consensus. You cite that there was up to 60% support, and you somehow think you are disagreeing with me?

by yyyk 3y ago

lazyasciiart 3y ago

> Very much on the margins if any. The overwhelming consensus ignored these considerations. Not true. I certainly wouldn’t refer to “the US did it” as a cite for “it’s not a war crime”, but that article appears to be saying they attacked a place not thought to be currently active as a civilian medical facility.

yyyk 3y ago
>Not true. Some of us have direct memories of the time and it was very much true... >I certainly wouldn’t refer.. They weren't even aware they weren't any patients. And it's not the only hospital attacked at Mosul. Most hospitals there were attacked: https://reliefweb.int/report/iraq/iraq-rebuilding-hospital-ruins-battle-mosul https://reliefweb.int/report/iraq/iraq-rebuilding-hospital-r... If you want the legal brief, see Article 8.2.e.iv. with an explicit carveout ("provided they are not military objectives"): https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/default/files/RS-Eng.pdf#page=14 https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/default/files/RS-Eng.pdf#page=...
- lazyasciiart 3y ago
  Yes, I do have direct memories of the time. Perhaps you were in one of those pro-war bubbles that didn't see any opposition.
  - yyyk 3y ago
    I actually remember quite a bit of opposition. Just not on these grounds.
redcitylights 3y ago
> Not true. Make an argument, not just a contradiction. The fact is that public opinion on the Iraq war was far higher (47-60% in favor) initially than it is now (61% say we should have stayed out). wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_in_the_United_States_on_the_invasion_of_Iraq#
- lazyasciiart 3y ago
  My argument is that there was not consensus. You cite that there was up to 60% support, and you somehow think you are disagreeing with me?