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There's more than one "government," that's what I mean by decentralization. There are thousands of courts throughout the country. I don't want some federal agen

There's more than one "government," that's what I mean by decentralization. There are thousands of courts throughout the country. I don't want some federal agency to be responsible for verifying the legitimacy of every warrant sent from every court.

gruez 3y ago
How about having the federal government be responsible for publishing a list of public keys for each court jurisdiction?
- h_r 3y ago
  That's what I was thinking... Why can't we solve this with non-repudiation crypto that is already available?
- chatmasta 3y ago
  Does the court in each jurisdiction need to submit their public key for inclusion? Who in the federal government is responsible for verifying that a legitimate court submitted the key? What if the head of the agency responsible for verifying these courts institutes a policy that courts will lose their verification for rulings against abortion? What if two courts in neighboring jurisdictions claim to be the same court? They each submit a different public key, but both can verify they hold the private key that pairs with the public key they submitted. How does the federal agency even verify the identity of a courthouse? Do they need to physically visit them and meet with the judge to tap a Yubikey? What if somebody steals the YubiKey from the judge? What if a referendum dissolves a jurisdiction? What is the process for revocation of verification?
  - gruez 3y ago
    Most of the concerns you raised are either non-issues or can be resolved a minor amount of legal legwork. Even if the system isn't perfect and there are edge cases that it can't handle, having any sort of key registry is better than the current system where anyone can claim to be a judge, and it's up to some lowly corporate employee to do the verification themselves.
    - Teever 3y ago
      As a non American it's pretty comical watching Americans make mountains out of molehills for problems that are solved in other countries.
      - staunton 3y ago
        Which country has such systems?
        gruez 3y ago
        A national id system, for one.
        Teever 3y ago
        I've never looked into this specific issue but I would imagine that the Estonian e-Identity system has solved this specific problem among many others. https://e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/ https://e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/

gruez 3y ago

How about having the federal government be responsible for publishing a list of public keys for each court jurisdiction?

h_r 3y ago
That's what I was thinking... Why can't we solve this with non-repudiation crypto that is already available?
chatmasta 3y ago
Does the court in each jurisdiction need to submit their public key for inclusion? Who in the federal government is responsible for verifying that a legitimate court submitted the key? What if the head of the agency responsible for verifying these courts institutes a policy that courts will lose their verification for rulings against abortion? What if two courts in neighboring jurisdictions claim to be the same court? They each submit a different public key, but both can verify they hold the private key that pairs with the public key they submitted. How does the federal agency even verify the identity of a courthouse? Do they need to physically visit them and meet with the judge to tap a Yubikey? What if somebody steals the YubiKey from the judge? What if a referendum dissolves a jurisdiction? What is the process for revocation of verification?
- gruez 3y ago
  Most of the concerns you raised are either non-issues or can be resolved a minor amount of legal legwork. Even if the system isn't perfect and there are edge cases that it can't handle, having any sort of key registry is better than the current system where anyone can claim to be a judge, and it's up to some lowly corporate employee to do the verification themselves.
  - Teever 3y ago
    As a non American it's pretty comical watching Americans make mountains out of molehills for problems that are solved in other countries.
    - staunton 3y ago
      Which country has such systems?
      - gruez 3y ago
        A national id system, for one.
      - Teever 3y ago
        I've never looked into this specific issue but I would imagine that the Estonian e-Identity system has solved this specific problem among many others. https://e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/ https://e-estonia.com/solutions/e-identity/id-card/