3 ms·

every judiciary authorized to issue warrants should simply put them on their own website, put some id on the paper, folks can verify. what else is needed? these

by pas 3y ago

every judiciary authorized to issue warrants should simply put them on their own website, put some id on the paper, folks can verify. what else is needed? these aren't supposed to be secret anyway

chatmasta 3y ago
That's the least bad solution available IMO, since the Internet and DNS is the closest thing to decentralized we have available to us. But it requires a special TLD available exclusively to courts, which would make the TLD registry a centralized authority. What if a political activist refuses to validate the TLD of a court in the middle of Texas because of a disagreement with a ruling?
- CaliforniaKarl 3y ago
  > But it requires a special TLD available exclusively to courts, which would make the TLD registry a centralized authority. The .gov domain already exists: https://beta.get.gov/domains/before/ https://beta.get.gov/domains/before/
gpm 3y ago
I believe warrants are frequently sealed (secret, at least temporarily) to prevent people from destroying evidence/fleeing...
- jszymborski 3y ago
  Right, but I can imagine a system where you can enter a "subpoena ID" and it can tell you if it's valid and when it was issued, possibly even which jurisdiction. That should be enough info where folks can verify the validity of their subpoena w/o revealing too much data. Including date of issuance and jurisdiction should help prevent using stale IDs to scare someone. If the subpoena is not sealed, the ID would show all the subpoena info, further narrowing down the ability to replay stale IDs. I'm definitely missing something obvious though because technical solutions are often not a panacea in cases like this
  - pas 3y ago
    no, I don't there's anything missing, other than the usual apathy toward systems reforms in most societies. this would probably work pretty well for these "utility-like big gatekeeper corps" which handle a shitton of subpoena requests, of course it doesn't help if a SWAT team is executing a someone-shout-and-knock-with-that-huge-doorfucker-implement on the wrong house. in many countries there are state-managed online id systems allowing sending documents to legal persons ... which would make it really really trivial. send the warrant to the department executing it and to the department handling these at Verizon. (I wouldn't be surprised to learn that most of the US states already have something like this, but not used like this.) it can be optional/voluntary for natural persons, it can be mandatory for companies above some size, etc.

by pas 3y ago

every judiciary authorized to issue warrants should simply put them on their own website, put some id on the paper, folks can verify. what else is needed? these aren't supposed to be secret anyway

chatmasta 3y ago

That's the least bad solution available IMO, since the Internet and DNS is the closest thing to decentralized we have available to us. But it requires a special TLD available exclusively to courts, which would make the TLD registry a centralized authority. What if a political activist refuses to validate the TLD of a court in the middle of Texas because of a disagreement with a ruling?

CaliforniaKarl 3y ago
> But it requires a special TLD available exclusively to courts, which would make the TLD registry a centralized authority. The .gov domain already exists: https://beta.get.gov/domains/before/ https://beta.get.gov/domains/before/

gpm 3y ago

I believe warrants are frequently sealed (secret, at least temporarily) to prevent people from destroying evidence/fleeing...

jszymborski 3y ago
Right, but I can imagine a system where you can enter a "subpoena ID" and it can tell you if it's valid and when it was issued, possibly even which jurisdiction. That should be enough info where folks can verify the validity of their subpoena w/o revealing too much data. Including date of issuance and jurisdiction should help prevent using stale IDs to scare someone. If the subpoena is not sealed, the ID would show all the subpoena info, further narrowing down the ability to replay stale IDs. I'm definitely missing something obvious though because technical solutions are often not a panacea in cases like this
- pas 3y ago
  no, I don't there's anything missing, other than the usual apathy toward systems reforms in most societies. this would probably work pretty well for these "utility-like big gatekeeper corps" which handle a shitton of subpoena requests, of course it doesn't help if a SWAT team is executing a someone-shout-and-knock-with-that-huge-doorfucker-implement on the wrong house. in many countries there are state-managed online id systems allowing sending documents to legal persons ... which would make it really really trivial. send the warrant to the department executing it and to the department handling these at Verizon. (I wouldn't be surprised to learn that most of the US states already have something like this, but not used like this.) it can be optional/voluntary for natural persons, it can be mandatory for companies above some size, etc.